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("Quid coniuratio est?")
GENE "CHIP" TATUM -- CA. JULY 1996
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ROBERT LORI:
Do you have any reason to believe that Pegasus still exists?
GENE TATUM:
I think, due to the mission of Pegasus and due to the time line.
And folks, I'm just being as sincere as I can be. There are folks out there who have heard of this "New World Order" regime: It's very real. And there's a real timetable to the New World Order. I was paid $50,000 a mission to ensure that this timetable was kept in place. And that timetable is the year 2000, for the New World Order to be in place.
Part of what the target date entails is trying to have the New World Order replace or control the United Nations. And we see how the United Nations is faltering right now.
So it's something for everyone to think about. I know a lot of people say, "Oh, another conspiracy." I'm with you. I don't believe most of the conspiracy items that are out in the media today. But I know that this is true. I know it because I've killed people to make sure it comes to pass.
ROBERT LORI:
Let's talk about some of the other people that you say you've
killed. You say that you were ordered to assassinate several
people. We talked about Amiram Nir. You say you were ordered to
assassinate the president of a Third World country. Who was that?
GENE TATUM:
Neutralize.
ROBERT LORI:
Okay, neutralize. I'm sorry.
GENE TATUM:
We chose intimidation in that. In 1989, the United States was
working in the Nicaraguan arena very heavily, to get free
elections in place. Daniel Ortega would not allow the free
elections. After the negotiations and the diplomacy failed,
Ortega was given to us. We decided that we would try to align
him. Because of his position, it would be a little too much to
go in and assassinate him. The way we decided to align him is,
we chose a second cousin of Mr. Ortega. Our diplomats went to
Mr. Ortega. We told him that we intended on assassinating that
cousin. We told him on what day we would assassinate that
cousin and how we would assassinate that cousin, and told him
to protect him as best he could -- 'cause he would be next. On
that day, in that mode, we assassinated his cousin.
ROBERT LORI:
What was the name of this person?
GENE TATUM:
I have no idea. I only flew the 4-man team in.
ROBERT LORI:
How was the assassination accomplished?
GENE TATUM:
Rocket fire. On the home.
ROBERT LORI:
In what city? Was that in Managua?
GENE TATUM:
Outside of Managua.
ROBERT LORI:
And how did you determine that this person... Did somebody tell
you that this person would be the way to get to Daniel Ortega?
GENE TATUM:
We carry information files. Another part of what Pegasus has
done through the years is, they've also spied on political
leaders and financiers around the world. And there's a huge
database on everyone. If, during our active time, a member of
Pegasus was intimidated or placed before a Senate committee or
something like that, they could simply pull out this file and
intimidate that politician into backing off. And that was done.
ROBERT LORI:
I'm wondering, as you tell this: Could you prove to anybody that
you were actually involved in this assassination of the cousin of
Ortega? Do you have anything physical that you could bring to
the world, to say, "Here's my proof that we did it?"
GENE TATUM:
Other than a few photographs, no.
ROBERT LORI:
I guess all this sounds pretty amazing. But also, I think that
it's hard to document. If we were to say, "Gene Tatum: How
could you prove to us that you actually were flying along and
'took out' Amiram Nir?" Is there any way you could prove that?
GENE TATUM:
Yes. In 1985, after finding what I did on my aircraft on that
February 26th mission, and 50 or so missions after that, I had
decided to start planning for my retirement. And I understood
what happened to most "assets" after they became a liability. So
I started planning, and documenting. In addition to the planning
and documenting, my flight crews would carry small video cameras.
The medic would carry a video camera in his medic bag on many
occasions. My crew chief would video any air attacks that we had
accomplished. So yes, we have some proof.
ROBERT LORI:
So you've got video tapes of that.
GENE TATUM:
Absolutely.
ROBERT LORI:
In 1992, you were still involved with Pegasus, you hadn't left
that operation by then, and you were ordered to neutralize Ross
Perot. Is that correct?
GENE TATUM:
At a meeting in southeast Florida, at the home of a prominent
political leader (and I choose not to use his name at this time),
that political leader tasked me with eliminating the leader of a
new party which, in his own words, "could tear apart the
Constitution of the United States."
ROBERT LORI:
Why won't you tell us the name of this political leader?
GENE TATUM:
Because it's not worth what repercussions can come back down on
my family, to involve him. He's bigger than the President,
believe it or not.
ROBERT LORI:
He's bigger than the President. Who could be bigger than the
President?
GENE TATUM:
There's several people in this country who are bigger than the
President, Rob. {2}. And I would rather not delve into that
section of it right now.
ROBERT LORI:
Okay.
So what was your understanding that you should do about Ross Perot when you got this order? And why would you take orders from this person if this person was not part of the... Was this person part of the government in 1992?
GENE TATUM:
Yes, he was.
ROBERT LORI:
What was your understanding that you ought to do, in regard to
Ross Perot?
GENE TATUM:
We were told to neutralize him. But I believe that, there again,
having the ability to choose how we would do that. {3}. One way
that we worked in the past was by blackmail. And had I gone
forward with it (however I didn't), I probably would have used
that method. We used a drug, made in Columbia (let me see if I
can remember the name of it), "Escopalamina"(sp?). They call it
"the voodoo drug," which puts a person completely under your
control. I mean completely under your control. You can have
them do anything that you would want them to do. You could video
tape the actions of that person, and then you could hold that
video tape as blackmail against them. And they would never
remember what they did or who had them under their control. It's
a very powerful drug and we used it on several occasions.
ROBERT LORI:
And tell me about one of those occasions. How was it used?
GENE TATUM:
One of the people we used that drug on was... Gee. He was one of
the Contra leaders... I think his name was Adolfo Calero(sp?).
We used it on him to keep him in line, because he too wanted...
Enrique Bermudez, along with Adolfo Calero, wanted political
positions in Nicaragua when the Chamorro government took its
place, replacing Ortega. Bermudez we couldn't align. So we
eliminated him.
ROBERT LORI:
You mean you were responsible for his killing.
GENE TATUM:
That is correct. I didn't directly. A 4-man team was flown in,
outside Managua, and killed him.
However Calero we were able to blackmail, using this drug. We took Calero. We put him in a hotel room with another man. We put them into [sex] acts together, and filmed it. Now they have a high-ranking official in the Chamorro Nicaraguan government under their control.
ROBERT LORI:
You have been handed lots of assignments over the years and you
always took part in them -- including the killing of people. But
this assignment, to neutralize Ross Perot, you backed away from
and you quit Pegasus. Why?
GENE TATUM:
In 1989 I backed away from my first assignment to "take someone
out."
ROBERT LORI:
What was that assignment?
GENE TATUM:
That was an assignment to "take out" a man who helped fund some
of the Nicaraguan aircraft, a man by the name of William Kennedy,
who's now in Lompaw(?) Prison.
I will not participate in assassinations of any sort, character assassination or anything, of American citizens. That, to me, is not furthering the cause of America.
[CN: Tatum then discussed a video tape.]
It shows other political leaders involved, and financial leaders from the world. It's a video tape of particular meetings, where assignments were given, including assignments against that [sic] financial leaders. And I won't give you the names of those, but it's enough to keep anyone alive that I want to keep alive.
ROBERT LORI:
So can you tell us whether or not George Bush or anybody of that
stature is in these video tapes?
GENE TATUM:
Yes, he is.
ROBERT LORI:
When you told these folks that you weren't going to carry out
this mission against Ross Perot, what was their response?
GENE TATUM:
Director Colby told me that you can't just walk away from black
operations. That's when I pulled the tapes out of my briefcase
and I said, "I understand that, Mr. Colby. However, I'm walking
away." And I gave him a copy of the tapes and told him what the
repercussions would be.
ROBERT LORI:
Did you contact Ross Perot, subsequent to your quitting Pegasus?
GENE TATUM:
Yes, Mr. Perot was advised. As a matter of fact, two weeks ago,
I interviewed with Texas News (I think that's CBS, out of Dallas)
concerning a copy of the letter, that they had been able to get
from the Perot people.
ROBERT LORI:
And what did Mr. Perot have to say about what you told him?
About this effort to neutralize him?
GENE TATUM:
I believe that he went public with that, in 1992. He made the
allegation, to the public, that this was happening. I think a
lot of people pooh-poohed it. But he was serious.
ROBERT LORI:
I think a lot of people were skeptical. Did you contact Ross
Perot in 1992?
GENE TATUM:
Yes.
ROBERT LORI:
And you told him that there was going to be this effort to
neutralize him.
GENE TATUM:
Yes.
ROBERT LORI:
Do you have any proof that people told you to neutralize Ross
Perot? Do you have any video or were there any written orders?
GENE TATUM:
We have a tape. A cassette tape.
ROBERT LORI:
An audio tape.
GENE TATUM:
Right.
But that has been placed onto the video.
Those tapes involve people a lot larger than George Bush. When I talk about the New World Order, I'm talking about an organization that is bigger than anyone can ever know. It's not called that. I'm not sure what they're calling it, but we do have and are getting ready to release in one of my books a copy of the mission of the New World Order, that was given out in a handout to the members of Pegasus so that we understood what our mission was and who we were working for.
However, because it involves people a lot bigger, people who I... I'm not saying I'm a bad-ass. But I know what I'm doing, in the arena that I work in. And I would never cross these people.
ROBERT LORI:
But I think a lot of people are skeptical when people toss around
terms like "New World Order" and all that. These are words that
frequently "right wingers" use as code words for what they see
as the conspiracy to run the world. I mean, who could be bigger
than the President of the United States?
GENE TATUM:
[Laughs] Many people groom men who are to become President of
the United States. Those people are bigger.
ROBERT LORI:
So are you talking about heads of multi-national corporations?
GENE TATUM:
World financiers and world leaders.
ROBERT LORI:
How can folks get in touch with you?
GENE TATUM:
They can get in touch with us with this phone number: (352)
787-9846. Or they can write to us at PO Box 895082, Leesburg,
Florida 34789.
---------------------------<< Notes >>--------------------------- {2} "There's several people in this country who are bigger than the President..."
Recall CN 1.42, the interview of Larry Nichols circa July 1994, where Nichols states
...you see, it's starting to affect the Power. You see, Clinton's not the power. He's a cheap, tin man. As a matter of fact, now that the Paula Jones' story is out, you understand that he's really a sexual pervert. He's "white trash." But he's probably 5th to 7th level player. And Stephens, for example, the people that own him, are probably maybe 3 or 4 level. I don't even know who's the 1st and 2nd level! But you see, he's starting to affect their money...
{3} "We were told to neutralize [Ross Perot]. But I believe that, there again, having the ability to choose how we would do that."
Ross Perot, speaking at a "Not This NAFTA" rally, Tampa, Florida, November 7, 1993. Broadcast on C-Span, November 7, 1993:
... Early this morning, I was out riding horseback by myself. And suddenly a police officer came up to me. He gave me a note about this problem I discussed with you today.
And to make a long story short, it's from the FBI. It relates to a person who said that he was coming out of Mexico, and that a group has contacted 6 Cubans to kill me. The caller indicated it would take place in Tampa, Florida or at the debate in Washington.
Or was the method used to "neutralize" Perot the threat to disrupt his daughter's then-upcoming wedding? Recall that Perot pulled out of the Presidential race in 1992 for awhile, claiming there was a plot to seriously embarrass his daughter on or around her wedding day.
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