("Quid coniuratio est?")
I spoke by phone with Jimmy Rothstein, long-time detective (now retired) with the NYPD Vice Squad.
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
And Shackley, he's a CIA agent.
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And what? He went public?
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
No, he didn't really go public. But David Thorne(?) wrote a book
about him [Blonde Ghost(?)]. And he's been involved, showin'
up, in the Nugan-Hand Bank scandal. And he's shown up in a few
things, where he started surfacin'. And this guy, Thorne, wrote a
book about him which is not too negative on him (because, I
understand, that this way, Shackley will keep "feeding" him).
But we're dealing... You know, somebody is talking to Shackley now. And as a result of talking to Shackley, this guy Al Carone was buried -- as a sergeant. And after... his tombstone was changed to colonel, which he really was. You know, he was one of these "super spooks", this guy Carone.
And another thing: all of a sudden his name shows back up in the New York City Police Department records.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. And you were... You say your position was a detective?
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. And what precinct was that?
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
I worked basically out of headquarters. We didn't really work out
of precincts; we worked out of more or less headquarters, most of
the time.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So you were city-wide?
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
I travelled all over the United States.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
There was this thing, which may have been around your time: the
"Son of Sam" slayings [a.k.a. "The son of Uncle Sam"].
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
Oh yeah. Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Did you look into that at all?
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
Yeah, I was involved with that. Because I was working vice at the
time. And incredibly... I'm just tryin' to think of the guy's
name. He wrote a book about the Son of Sam.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Maury Terry, I think his name is.
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
Yeah. Yeah. And there's one thing: when I read the book, he
describes this thing up in Yonkers or the Bronx. We had had
information at that time and went up there to look at it: where
we heard that they were killin', you know, sacrificin' kids and
sh** like that. And yeah.
And then when Maury Terry came out with it... I spoke to Maury about it already. And in fact, a friend of mine that I worked with is the guy that actually tied the Son of Sam killings together. He was one of our forensic detectives.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. And that book was The Ultimate Evil. That was one heck of
a book! You know?
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I heard about it through, there's this guy out in California,
Dave Emory, that he does broadcasts and he had highly recommended
this book. So I got a hold of it and read it. And, you read the
book too, I suppose?
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
Oh yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And basically, it's just like he's sayin'?
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
Oh yeah. Yeah. A couple of things: you know, he's talking to
Berkowitz now, on a regular basis. And some of the stuff he's
comin' out with is stuff that we, in part of our investigations,
we ended up de-briefing one of the "High Priestesses" involved in
this stuff, who happened to be a CIA "broad".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know, it's been awhile since I read that book. I remember one
thing about it was that it tied together Son of Sam with the
Manson "family".
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And it basically, it seemed to me what it was sayin' was that
these satanic cults are not just that, but they're a front for a
lot of things that go on. Say, they're "hit men" for one thing.
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
Very definitely. True. We came up with that all over the
place. That goes... Did you ever read the book, The Franklin
Cover-Up? {1}
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! Yeah.
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
You talk about an interesting thing: one of the key people in the
FBI, that was involved in there, is here now, in Minnesota -- the
head of the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. When Louis Freeh got
in as the head of the FBI, the first thing he did was dump this
guy. And now they've put him into the Bureau of Criminal
Apprehension, with none other than "Skip" Humphrey!
See, The Franklin Cover-Up was as close to exposing this stuff... And you know, it's been covered up. And Minnesota is very central to this.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I read that book and I thought it was really a good book. I
couldn't find any fault with it.
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
No. Because, you know, one of the things as to how I got into all
this stuff was through developing these informants. See, I worked
with prostitutes, pimps, and the little boy... You know, the
"chickens", the pedophile stuff. And I put together this whole
thing across the United States, where we had tied all this sh**
together. That's how I got into this, because I developed these
informants. And these informants took me right into this other
stuff. And then I started gettin' these phone calls. And, you
know, I set up quite a network.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So these satanic cults, a lot of 'em, are really... say, they
use, they're child prostitution rings...
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
...and also, assassination rings. And it's tied in with the
government somehow?
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
Some of it is. Yes.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And the government uses these people?
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
I believe they do. There are elements of it that are used.
Because, like I said, the one girl that we interviewed, Maria
Laslo(?), was a "High Priestess". And she was the key person that
originally set up the cocaine... You know, when I told ya the CIA
was usin' that to keep a product in South America so they had
money. She was the key person that...in bringing the, setting
up the cocaine connection, when the CIA was runnin' it into New
York. Which ended in '71, '72.
And we de-briefed her. See, I got an anonymous phone call from a judge, a federal judge. Now why would a federal judge call a New York cop? But as a result of that, we were able to get this woman out of prison without anybody knowin' it. And we interviewed her for two days. And when we got done, we put the tape in Robert Morganthal's(sp?) safe. And on Monday morning, it was gone. And in it, she outlined and named everybody. We had the whole thing tied up in a neat little package.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So you had a solid case, but it got buried.
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
Yeah. A lot of this stuff got covered up with "national
security". Usually that meant we were gettin' too close to the
top.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. And you worked for 12 years at that, and you retired. You
just reached retirement age?
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
No... No. They gave me a choice: either retire, or you're gettin'
killed.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Geez.
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN:
A friend of mine came up to me and said, "You know, if you were
to put in for a disability today, you'd get it. And if you
don't..." (I knew what the answer was.)
You see, after I locked up [Frank] Sturgis... And on top of that, what happened is, the governor had appointed me to the State Select Committee on Crime, over the mayor's and the city commissioner's head! See, 'cuz they were going to go into... (That was Hugh Carey [who appointed Rothstein to the Select Committee].) When we started diggin', then the only problem that turned up was that the counsel for the committee -- do you remember Huey Mulligan?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No, I don't.
[...to be continued...]
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