("Quid coniuratio est?")
Troy Underhill on KSFO Radio
July 19, 1995
Troy Underhill, of Media Bypass magazine, was the guest on a radio show out of the San Francisco area recently. He discussed the explosive James R. Norman article, "Fostergate" (in the current issue of Media Bypass; phone 1-800-4BYPASS to order).
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GEOFF METCALF [continues]:
You have sent these magazines to the various members. When do you
expect to hear from them?
TROY UNDERHILL:
I expect to talk to our legal counsel tomorrow and see precisely
what the legal counsel for the House and the Senate are trying to
get from us. And if we can work out some kind of arrangement
where a live, nationally-televised camera is on...
GEOFF METCALF:
Now you realize, we've had complaints from people all over the
country, thus far, complaining that the Whitewater hearings are
not being covered, live and in person {6}.
TROY UNDERHILL:
Sure. That's... We're gonna see how badly they really want it. Or
is it... Some people that we have contact with, that can supply
bank numbers, believe the only reason these bank numbers -- which
are not readily available! -- that the Senate and the House
want them, is to be able to change them or cover them up.
Once a number, always a number when it comes to dealing in international financing -- when you talk about very secretive, coded bank accounts. And they can't go in and change it, unless they have the access codes. Very few people in this country, believe it or not, Geoff, have those access codes.
GEOFF METCALF:
You see, I think the greatest impediment to this thing being
revealed in its entirety is that, last couple of years, that two
billion dollars that's been swept out of accounts: those guys
know that somebody's on to them.
TROY UNDERHILL:
Yeah, but there's a paper trail. See? There's a paper trail that
cannot be denied. Computer records stay forever. You know, you
can go in and delete a computer...
GEOFF METCALF:
Yeah, but what I'm saying is, some of the people who potentially
may be linked to this thing can claim, for reasons of "national
security" or whatever, that they cannot reveal the information.
TROY UNDERHILL:
Sure they can. Sure they can. But there's a power... We have a
first amendment to our Constitution in the United States of
America which gives myself, and my publication (or should I say,
the publication I work for) the right to print what we want to
print, if we feel that it is without malice. Supreme Court
rulings have upheld this right. And now the ball's in their
corner. Let... If they think that they can discredit this story,
based on facts, and they want to do this in an open, public
forum, we can bring the people out who could probably change the
course of this country for the betterment of all of the
American people.
GEOFF METCALF:
Troy, let's talk to Steve, who's been waiting for awhile, in
Oakland. You're on KSFO with Troy Underhill and Geoff Metcalf.
Howdy.
I was just on the phone with Barbara Boxer's office [D- California, senator] in San Francisco, just not 30 minutes ago. And I wanted to alert them to the fact that this newscast was going on the air. And I got a very distasteful reaction from the staff member that I spoke with.
GEOFF METCALF:
[laughs]
And it seems to me that that information's been all over the Internet!
TROY UNDERHILL:
Sure it has.
TROY UNDERHILL:
One significant thing that you need to do (and a lot of people
don't realize this): I have three friends who are
representatives, U.S. House of Representatives members right now:
you're not going to get a response via a local office. You need
to call Washington, D.C. And they may not do anything. But the
message is gonna get to them.
What they do, when you call a local office, is, they take a brief comment from everyone, throughout the day. At the end of the week there'll be, like, eight comments about "so-and-so". They'll fax it to D.C., and that's all there is.
GEOFF METCALF:
Here's a classic story [unclear] a couple days ago. It happened
during the GATT [Global Agreement on Tariffs and Trade] debate.
Some people contacted Senator Feinstein's office, and were
complaining about the GATT vote. And she said (the staffer said),
"Well public opinion is strongly in favor of this!" And the
caller said, "Well, wait a minute. How many calls have you had,
complaining?" And she said, "Well that's what I don't understand!
All the calls we're getting are opposite of what public opinion
is!"
<shouts> HELLO?!
TROY UNDERHILL:
Right before the vote, the American people, 72 percent, didn't
want it!
GEOFF METCALF:
Troy, I'm gonna have to roll. I thank you kindly for joining us.
I thank you for the opportunity to have broken this, here on
KSFO.
Again. People who want to subscribe to Media Bypass, can't find it in the store somewhere, you can just call 1-800-4BYPASS.
Troy, thank you very kindly.
TROY UNDERHILL:
Thanks, Geoff.
GEOFF METCALF:
I look forward to talking to you again soon. Take care.
---------------------------<< Notes >>--------------------------- {6} "...complaining that the Whitewater hearings are not being covered, live and in person." Recall the summer of 1973, when afternoon soap operas were pre-empted for live coverage of the Watergate hearings. Now, your best bet seems to be PBS's McNeil- Lehrer, or wait until the weekend and watch non-stop coverage of the past week's hearings -- if you have C-Span.
I encourage distribution of "Conspiracy Nation."
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