Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5 Num. 67

("Quid coniuratio est?")


Troy Underhill on KSFO Radio
July 19, 1995

Troy Underhill, of Media Bypass magazine, was the guest on a radio show out of the San Francisco area recently. He discussed the explosive James R. Norman article, "Fostergate" (in the current issue of Media Bypass; phone 1-800-4BYPASS to order).

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GEOFF METCALF [continues]:
And he's been holding for quite a while, so let's get to Bill, first. Bill, in San Francisco, you're on KSFO with Troy Underhill and Geoff Metcalf. Howdy!

BILL
Hi, Troy. I read Ron Paul's newsletter, and they talked about Clinton having a Cayman Islands bank account, an off-shore account, in Chelsea's name. He got a bunch of money funneled there.

And also, I'd like to know, how do they get money from Swiss bank accounts? I thought those were untouchable. How are they pullin' it out of the account?

TROY UNDERHILL:
Well, it's when you can enter into a "back door". Now Geoff wanted me to keep it simple and I'm not the computer analyst that some people, that have documented the information in this article...

GEOFF METCALF:
Basically, what the PROMIS software did, and the way it was converted by Bob Maxwell and the guy, the guys who were peddling it: it allowed the banks to track the transactions, but we could "sneak in" through the "back door". That's what the CIA was doing, is what a group of guys...

TROY UNDERHILL:
We can go into account #179437... There's like a 60-digit row of numbers that equal one bank account. And we can enter that bank account, and then take... Let's say there was a 5 million dollar transaction in that bank account that day. We could take the transaction data account number and move it to another account! And that's, the next morning, that's where it is.

BILL
But they'd only do that to people who wouldn't make a stink about it, right?

TROY UNDERHILL:
They... I would say this: that some very prominent politicians in our U.S. House of Representatives and our U.S. Senate are involved in this. And the name for Systematics, Incorporated, Jackson Stephens, who is a billionaire out, just "happens to be" out of Arkansas, if people will look at who is financing a major contribution to Bob Dole's presidential election, you will find a man by the name of Jackson Stephens.

BILL
Hey, Troy?

TROY UNDERHILL:
Yes, sir.

BILL
What about this Clinton and the Cayman Islands?

TROY UNDERHILL:
I've heard some about that. A person, a friend of mine who has a friend who has a friend, who has access to some of these bank account numbers, says that that was not as credible as it was built up to be, and there was never an account down there that they could find. And these men are...

BILL
In Chelsea's name.

TROY UNDERHILL:
Yes. It was "Chelsea Rodham" I believe, or "Chelsea Jefferson". These men work for the agency [CIA] as computer hackers, and they could not find any trace of it in that location.

GEOFF METCALF:
Bill, I thank you for the call. We're gonna have to take a brief pause, and then we'll come back to Troy Underhill and continue our discussion about their controversial story called "Fostergate", which will be in the August issue.

Troy, a lot of people are asking: Can they only get Media Bypass by the phone number? Or can they get it in a bookstore somewhere?

TROY UNDERHILL:
There is, we have about 400 distributors, mainly in the midwest. There's a few out west. But they can call an 800 number [info on how to subscribe].

GEOFF METCALF:
Good enough. In the meantime, we're gonna talk to Virginia, in Sonol(?). You're on KSFO with Troy Underhill and Geoff Metcalf. Hi, Virginia!

VIRGINIA
Hi. How are you?

GEOFF METCALF:
Good, thank you.

VIRGINIA
Geoff, we've talked before. Troy, nice to hear from you.

And I would like to comment that this is not a new story. The first coverage of this (and it pertains not just to any particular president, but to our intelligence community as a whole) dates back to a Wired article in December of 1993 that dealt with FINCEN. And the article was written by Anthony Kemmering. And it pertains to every individual out there. The United States government is trying to track anything over 100 dollars in any bank account for any individual citizen in the U.S. FINCEN is the agency created by the United States government. And it's (FINCEN stands for FINancial Crimes Enforcement Network) to monitor banking.

And FINCEN used PROMIS as a "back door", they had a "trojan horse". But thereby a man named Michael Riconosciuto and the Wackenhut Security Corporation, which was Bill Casey's firm, to follow up third world nations in their bankings with the larger banks, within the United States.

There has been many deaths over this {5}. I don't know if Troy's familiar with Danny Casolaro, but he was executed in Martinsburg, West Virginia, over this story. Two weeks prior to Danny's death, there was an execution murder in Guatemala of a financial news network stringer by the name of Anton Inge(?). And Alan Cranston drew our attention to that -- former senator Alan Cranston.

GEOFF METCALF:
Virginia, there is a long list of names, that continues to grow in length, of people who have died mysteriously and/or through alleged "suicides" and what not. We've published the list in the past. We've put it out. It's available to those people who want it.

VIRGINIA
Well Geoff, the point is, this goes right back to the Kennedy assassination. And the name of the book that you can trace it with, in case your listeners are interested, is Murder of a City: Tacoma by John Gold(sp?), a.k.a. Fred Lee Crisman(sp?). And [Jim] Garrison subpoenaed Mr. Gold. And Mr. Gold, under the name "Fred Lee Crisman", was subpoenaed, and thought to be the short, stocky hobo in Dallas, by Mr. Garrison.

And all I wanted to tell your listeners is, that Michael Riconosciuto is detailed in length, along with the O.S.S. connection, by Mr. Garrison, long before this story ever became front page news.

GEOFF METCALF:
I tell you what, Virginia. I'd like to put you on hold. And if you'd be kind enough to give a phone number to my producer's son, or where I can get a hold of you off the air, I'd like to do that again.

In the meantime, let's get to Mark in Pleasant Hill. You're on KSFO with Troy Underhill and Geoff Metcalf. Hi!

MARK
Yes, Geoff. Is there any relationship with some of the international banking thing, that has to do with this Senate bill 307 for the two currencies? I called in, yesterday, and you were not able to ask... was it Pat Choate about that? Senate bill 307?

GEOFF METCALF:
Yeah. I know what that has to do with: the blue and the red money.

MARK
Right. But the thing is, the whole point of this is, is that devaluation of the currency, within the United States. This is, I've heard this from a number of different sources. Not only from Coin World magazine, but North American Trading Company, who advertises on KSFO and also, other sources that say this. Is there any relationship to the new change of currency, the devaluation of the currency for the... The new currency that would come out, in other words, the fact that, I'm hearing that the money would end and it would be made, the new denomination currency that will be made to replace the old stuff, will be worth less in this country versus outside the country.

GEOFF METCALF:
Well I tell ya what. You're digressing a little bit on what we're talking about here. And I don't know if...

MARK
Is there any relationship to what Mr. Underhill has... when he was referring to international banking and things like that?

GEOFF METCALF:
Well let's ask him. Troy, is there anything that magazine is working on, connected with that?

TROY UNDERHILL:
Well, I'll say this, Geoff. I don't know how many months you've had our magazine. We're in the middle of our third year. And these are the types, along with educational, historical, constitutional issues, that we've been dealing with since our inception.

And with the paper currency, that's another tracking mechanism, versus overseas, where it would be a different color denomination. We have dealt with these subjects and with [those of] the lady who spoke with, that called in just a moment ago. We have been doing this.

But the thing that makes this, that we feel makes this story so prominent, is the fact that the involvement with one of the leading, one of the what a lot of us would call the "secular media" or the "controlled" media. [i.e., connection to Forbes of Jim Norman, author of the "Fostergate" article.]

[...to be continued...]

--------------------------<< Notes >>---------------------------- {5} "There has been many deaths over this." See, for example, the article by Nick Guarino of The Wall Street Underground, beginning in CN 3.55, which went out in January of this year.


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