("Quid coniuratio est?")
INTERVIEW WITH DEBRA VON TRAPP
By Sherman H. Skolnick
(Transcribed by Brian Francis Redman)
I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or portions of the following. -- CN Editor.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK: {1}
I see. But the point is... Is it your opinion that the citizens'
militias, that the President and others accuse, may not be
involved in this at all?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
They had nothing to do with it. And I can tell you that from
first-hand knowledge. They had absolutely nothing to do with
that.
And in fact... Once they (because they know -- and the FBI knew who took that building down, and understood that they had to create a cover story), they panicked. And because they didn't know where the target was going to be -- they knew it was going to happen, as I did. But once it did happen, and they understood who the responsible parties were, their cover story... They attempted to make up this story about this Ryder truck and the look-alike bombing to New York City [World Trade Center bombing], to pin it on the Middle East. But nothing they could feed the American public or the media would add up to that.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well I noticed that Israel immediately sent in one of their
assets, who's with CBS network, Dan Raviv. He co-authored a book
praising Mossad. And he, suddenly, was broadcasting for CBS
from Oklahoma City, after the bombing. He's a Mideast expert. I
found it very odd that he suddenly was sent in there. He's sort
of an asset of Israeli Intelligence.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yeah.
And that just didn't, it didn't gel. They couldn't do much with it, after about 48 hours.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So in other words, your opinion is, from your work and how you
got involved in espionage by way of -- because they intimidated
you -- that...
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I didn't get paid for any of those White House deliveries or, you
know. I mean, I watched them do it!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, you were coerced into it because of the details
that you've given me here.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I contracted the deliveries. That's what I did for them.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So the point is, you think that the higher-ups -- Janet Reno, the
President himself, and so on -- have a good, working knowledge of
what is behind the bombing and are not telling the American
people.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
They knew exactly what had happened. And what they did, with
McVeigh, is -- the Middle East story wasn't going to work. So,
someone pointed out that they had this guy in custody and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He's sort of a "patsy", Lee Harvey Oswald style.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Basically, what happened is, they decided to put out just a
sketch of him. And you've noticed, they haven't produced any tape
or anything else for the American public -- can't come up with
the John Doe #2. {2}.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I've interviewed explosives experts. And they laugh at the
government's explanation of a fertilizer bomb doing that piece of
work.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
There's no possibility of that at all. First of all, I can tell
you from first-hand knowledge that Special Ops team did that
bombing, and did a different kind of bomb altogether. Secondly,
anyone with even a cursory knowledge of bombing, you know, and
not too sophisticated of a knowledge at all, will understand that
their description of that bomb does not mesh with the action of
that bomb.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. We spent about 4-and-a-half months, in 1992, interviewing
Michael Riconosciuto, a computer and explosives expert, when he
was in the jail in Chicago awaiting grand jury testimony. And he
described to us EHT, "Blue Death", which some other explosives
experts are now describing as more likely, from the
circumstances, was the device used to take down the Murrah
Building.
Tell me this: you feel the highest level of our government knows about this. What do you think is gonna be the outcome? In other words, your opinion is that, as part of this problem between the Washington and the Tokyo governments, that our espionage people instigated those poison gas attacks in Japan?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
My specific knowledge is that a military team produced that gas
attack in retaliation for compromise of White House
communications, which is a military responsibility and was
compromised by the Secret Service agent and Robert Goetzman and
the CIA employee, Dale Helm, who is still at the White House as
we speak.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Where is Goetzman these days? Does anybody know?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yeah. I actually have his home address in _______, _______. Would
you like it?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yes.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Okay. Because I think the American public ought to go visit him,
knock on his door and ask him if he thinks it's okay to kill
babies in Oklahoma City.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What is his address?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
{3}.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You happen to have a phone number for him?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I did. But he disconnected it.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I understand.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I do have a phone number for Jim Cofield...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... Yeah. Give it to us. We'll utilize it in some way, in an
interview or something.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
{4}.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Let's see if we can summarize this: Because of your background in
very high technology, you got involved in certain projects. You
were intimidated into it. And part of those projects were the
"bugging" of the Clinton White House. In fact, going all the way
back to the inaugural get-togethers.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I still have the televisions! The inaugural committee...
Mitsubishi and Goetzman abandoned the TVs on the sidewalk at the
Lincoln Memorial. It rained on them. A truck backed into them.
The inaugural committee called me and demanded that I remove the
debris. So I agreed to take responsibility for it. And they
shipped them over to the Washington Naval Shipyard, and then put
'em on a United Van Lines truck (which is the official carrier
for the President). And, at their expense, trucked them back to
me in Irvine, California, and dumped them in my driveway!
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---------------------------<< Notes >>--------------------------- {1} Skolnick stops the tape to interject at this point:
"I would like to insert here, I believe that base is Gunther Air Force Base in Alabama."
{2} Skolnick stops the tape to interject at this point:
"Let me insert something here: there is a television station manager in Oklahoma (let's see if I have his name here) who contends that he has got video tape, proving -- this is KPOC TV, Ponca, Oklahoma. His name is David Hall, and he's the television station manager. (405) 767-8827. And others that have talked to him, that I know about... David Hall contends that they've got video tape and other proof, from his television station, that Timothy McVeigh was not, as the government contends, arrested on a traffic violation an hour-and-a-half after the Oklahoma City bombing, but in fact was arrested for the first time on Friday, April 21st, '95. If David Hall's, what he contends, that he's got some proof -- video tape -- is correct, then the whole Timothy McVeigh story would fall apart."
"I have no personal knowledge of it, but it would not surprise me that the whole McVeigh thing is a fraudulent story by Janet Reno and the President, because they do know the truth, as Ms. von Trapp is setting it forth."
"And there's something about Ms. von Trapp's story that leads me to think that it is quite correct! It rings true."
{3} Regarding Goetzman's address: bearing in mind that, in this country, a person is innocent until proven guilty (something which many supposedly "professional" journalists have shockingly forgotten vis a vis Timothy McVeigh), I will provide the address to responsible journalists and investigators wishing to make polite inquiries.
Worth mentioning also, regarding the press: President Clinton has asked that you "call up short" the "purveyors of paranoia". Well? Where are you on this von Trapp testimony? Your silence is deafening. When will the mainstream press be following up on this story? Soon, I hope. After all, you don't want any "fragile minds" beginning to think that what von Trapp is saying could be true!
Hey media!! Where are you guys!? When will we see you following up on this story?
{4} Regarding Cofield's phone number: I will provide same to responsible journalists and investigators wishing to make polite inquiries.
I encourage distribution of "Conspiracy Nation."
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