Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4 Num. 70

("Quid coniuratio est?")


On April 23, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview.

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[CN -- I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or portions of the following. Statements by Sherman Skolnick are in quotation marks, all else is my own paraphrasing and/or my own comments.]


You can almost see a cause and effect: the indictments of Hillary Clinton, "Mack" McLarty, Governor Jim "Guy" Tucker, and other Clinton cronies, are about to go public, and then -- BOOM -- the bomb goes off in Oklahoma.

"And there's a third event that should be considered: as a result of my stories being on the various computer networks (Prodigy, Internet)... I have made contacts with financial experts worldwide who exchange information with me in confidence; (I don't mention who they are.) And they contend that there is a 'panic point' approaching: 75 yen to the dollar {1}. And when it reaches that point, that there will be an embargo on foreign exchange; there will be no yen/dollar ratio considered anymore -- you won't be able to exchange up and back; those that have sent their... Americans that have sent their money out of the country will not be able to get it back. In other words, this whole foreign exchange thing will be frozen."

"And why did financial experts find it interesting to talk to me off the record? Because they felt that I am part of a group that is on the cutting edge of the so-called 'Whitewater affair' and that I have a good working knowledge of the, what's happening as far as the Kenneth Starr thing and so on, and that there may be validity to what I say: that Hillary is facing indictment (which I have been saying for quite a number of weeks now.)"

But can't they just bury this news?

"Well, there was a time when the news networks more carefully controlled the news -- prior to the current technology, that would be true. But there is, more and more stories are getting around the news networks, through the computer networks. The government would love, right now, to STOP the various computer networks, because they're a detriment to managing the news. In other words, people can pull up things on their screen which may be more truthful than what they're seeing on the evening news, on the television."

What about the arrest of bombing suspect Timothy McVeigh?

"Notice how fake it is: he had a fake driver's license, purportedly dated April 19th, 1995 -- the same day of the bombing. He was travelling at a rapid speed down the highway in, I believe, a yellow vehicle with no license plates, and him having a gun! He associates with those (or is related to, or is a cousin of, or something of that sort), with some of the ones of the Michigan Militia. And that one of those apparently, or reportedly, is the undercover operative of the DEA! We suspect that that, from all that we know, that that's Terry Nichols or somebody in that group."

"Please understand: I am not here to support the militia. However: like the anti-war movement of 25 years ago, it is spreading across the country because we're at a moment of great anguish in this country about things that are going wrong. And it's a 'prairie fire'. And so the government, at such a time, supplies [provocateurs] in order to put 'em on a dead end. I mean, that's the government policy: put up 'leaders' as provocateurs, get the dupes to follow, and then get the dupes into jail, or get them discredited total."

"And when someone that's knowledgeable, like me, shows up (as I did 25 years ago) to lecture on this: who gets heckled off the lecture stage? Me. Why? The dupes are not ready to believe that their 'leaders' (who are charming) are government operatives. And that will probably be so now."

"There are some very ordinary people who belong to the militia. I don't support what they do. But it's a made-to-order thing for a racial riot tinderbox. Everybody has seen the pictures. Some of the children that were injured or died were black. Some of the ordinary office workers that were injured or died in that bombing were black. And insofar as a white supremacist movement, or leaders of it that are anti-black and so on are involved in bombing the building, it's a made-to-order psychological bombshell itself."

It almost seems that the government's plan is like... it's been compared to the Reichstag fire.

"Right. I was just gonna say that. You got ahead of me. I was just gonna compare it to the Reichstag fire." {2}.

"Hitler's opposition in Germany was the German Communist Party. They had the largest printing presses, other than the main newspapers, in Germany. They could've really downed Hitler in '33. They didn't. And Hitler put an end to them with the Reichstag fire blamed on them, and then he rounded 'em up and he put 'em in concentration camps."

"'Cuz in the beginning, those that were put in the concentration camps were not necessarily Jews -- they started out to be Gypsies and communists, and then they were Jews, then they rounded up Jews. But in the beginning, they rounded up communists. And that was on the basis of a sweep; that is, Hitler says, 'The communists are a treasonous element in Germany. They bombed the German Parliament, the Reichstag. Round 'em up. Take 'em away.'"

"And if you think that they couldn't create a hysteria in this country to round up all these dupes that are following some of these provocateurs in the militia movement -- just wait and see what the media can crank up a hysteria in this country."

"And a side issue would be the Japanese cults with their poison gas attacks, threatening theme parks in Disneyland and such like that."

But Mr. Skolnick, hasn't the government largely failed in their efforts to whip up hysteria as a result of this bombing? True, there was a certain amount of unthinking reaction, where, for example, they had that crowd in Oklahoma booing and yelling for McVeigh's blood. But on the other hand, my sense is that people are, maybe, a little more educated these days -- at least some people are.

"I don't accept that. Many people sit there, passively, in front of the TV. And the thing goes into that portion of the brain which is not the intellectual portion. And that, of course, has been documented by others, other than me. It is not like reading a newspaper: the images from the television go into the subconscious portion of the brain and create different types of reactions than reading a book."

[ be continued...]

---------------------------<< Notes >>--------------------------- {1} Regarding the dollar/yen relationship, maybe this explains the continued rise in the stock market: as the dollar keeps losing value, people take their money out of dollars and put it in the stock market.

{2} Reichstag fire. [From the Encyclopaedia Britannica] The burning of the Reichstag (parliament) building in Berlin, on the night of Feb. 27, 1933, [was] a key event in the establishment of the Nazi dictatorship and widely believed to have been contrived by the newly formed Nazi government itself to turn public opinion against its opponents and to assume emergency powers. Hitler had secured the chancellorship after the elections of November 1932, but his Nazi Party had not won an overall majority. He therefore obtained Cabinet consent to fix new elections for March 5, 1933. Meanwhile, his propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, is supposed to have devised the scheme whereby 10 agents led by Karl Ernst were to gain access to the Reichstag through a tunnel leading from the official residence of Hermann Goring, Reichstag president and Hitler's chief minister, who was then to conduct an official investigation, which would fix responsibility for the fire on the Communists. The supposed arsonist was a Dutchman, Marinus van der Lubbe, whom some have claimed was brought to the scene of the crime by Nazi agents. Others have contended that there was no proof of Nazi complicity in the crime, but that Hitler merely capitalized on van der Lubbe's independent act. The fire is the subject of continued debate and research.

On Feb. 28, 1933, the day after the fire, Hitler's dictatorship began with the enactment of a decree "for the Protection of the People and the State," which dispensed with all constitutional protection of political, personal, and property rights. Though the ensuing elections still did not give the Nazis an outright majority, they were able to persuade the Reichstag to pass an Enabling Act (March 23) whereby all its legislative powers were transferred to the Reich Cabinet by a vote of 444 to 94, so sanctioning the dictatorship. A feature of the ensuing arson trial, at which van der Lubbe was convicted, was the acquittal of the Bulgarian Communist Georgi Dimitrov after a strong defense.

[CN -- See also: Tobias, Fritz, The Reichstag Fire, trans. by A.J. Pomerans (1964)]

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