Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4 Num. 66

("Quid coniuratio est?")


On April 23, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview.

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For starters, let me say that the following is my report of what Mr. Skolnick says; I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or portions of the following. Mr. Skolnick's direct statements are marked off by quotation marks. All else is either my own paraphrasing of Mr. Skolnick's statements or my own personal comments, et cetera.

[Mr. Skolnick's statements are in quotes.]

"Sixteen indictments were handed up from the federal grand jury in Little Rock on Monday, the 17th. April 17th. The indictments were sealed."

"Of those, we feel assured of the names of three of them, of the defendants."

"Ordinarily, in more routine matters, indictments are sealed for 24 to 48 hours, so as to give the FBI and others a chance to find the defendants, serve the papers on 'em and arrest them, so that the defendants would then have to come... have to be brought to make bail bond and have a date set for an arraignment. That's the process."

"In other, more controversial cases, they're sealed by order of the chief judge of the district court of that district -- political cases, controversial cases -- which are then only released under the direction of the chief judge of the Justice Department. That is the arrangement."

"There have been instances where indictments have been kept sealed for as many as 70 years. Of course, that's a little ridiculous. But they tried to do the same thing regarding the indictment of Richard Nixon. He was indicted, and in that case it was more than that: the grand jury was ordered to take it back (which is illegal, to order the grand jury to do that)."

"But anyway, these 16 indictments were handed up from the grand jury on or about April 17th of this year."

"Those indicted were: Jim 'Guy' Tucker, the Arkansas Governor (the Lieutenant Governor has already told us that he is, more or less, already the Governor...); the second one is Thomas 'Mack' McLarty, former White House Chief of Staff, currently White House counsel, and former CEO of ARKLA, the natural gas public utility -- Oklahoma-Arkansas-and Louisiana; and the third indictment (of the 16 [indicted]) is Hillary Rodham Clinton, on two counts: bank fraud and obstruction of justice."

"The obstruction of justice count is based on, she ordered White House aide Foster's office to be cleared out and the contents to be delivered to her private quarters in the White House. (Webster Hubbell was involved in that.) She ordered them thereafter to destroy those records, which were being sought at the time by a federal magistrate in Little Rock, in the David Hale case. And she apparently believed that Hubbell had destroyed it [i.e., the records]. When Hubbell resigned from the third person in the Justice Department, he later was facing indictment and made a plea bargain with Kenneth Starr, the independent prosecutor. And to avoid jail, he turned those records over to the grand jury."

"And so, she was indicted on the second count, of obstruction of justice."

"She's now facing a third count, to be added to the indictment, based on Kenneth Starr, over this weekend, taking the sworn statement of both the President and the First Lady. And she apparently will be caught or has been caught with perjury. And so there will most likely be a third count to the indictment."

"Those are the three defendants, of the sixteen. Others, of the defendants, are reportedly also present or recent White House personnel that are involved in Clinton's problems. Sixteen in all."

NBC Nightly News, on Saturday, April 22nd, had a brief mention that Starr had visited the White House and taken sworn testimony from Bill and Hillary.

According to Skolnick, one of the counts against Hillary is related to alleged bank fraud involving Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan.

"The bank fraud count of the indictment against her, Hillary, involves mis-application of somewhere between $47 and $60 million, or causing the loss thereof to the government, in respect to a federally-insured financial institution."

"And I think you know what's involved there: involved there is what we've already been working on for some time -- to try to patch that [Hillary's alleged bank fraud] up, the clandestine transfer, from Chicago, of $50 million from an RTC contingency fund, which the major claim on the fund was Joseph Andreuccetti. And that was taken out from under him, so to speak, and transferred to Little Rock to try to cover up the very thing for which Hillary, reportedly, has now been indicted! Bank fraud."

[My interview with Joseph Andreuccetti will appear in issue #1 of the Conspiracy Nation Newsletter. Address inquiries on how to get a copy of the Conspiracy Nation Newsletter to]

How long are they going to keep these indictments sealed?

"In the ordinary course of things, the chief judge in that district might have unsealed them a few days thereafter [i.e., a few days after Monday, April 17th]. But two days thereafter, of course, as we all know, there was the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City."

"One of the 3 that have been arrested or suspected or accused [in connection with the bomb blast], is reportedly an undercover operative of the Drug Enforcement Agency. If the government is confronted with this fact -- as they may [be] -- they may say that this is one of their people that 'ran out of control' and that they are not responsible for him having bombed the federal building."

[ be continued...]

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