("Quid coniuratio est?")
INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- APRIL 4, 1995
On April 4, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone. The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, first of all, you were talkin' about Chuck Goudy? [He] had
been on TV last night, was it?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Channel 7, WLS-TV in Chicago. It's an ABC affiliate.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, and he confirmed that "China White" is... what, exactly?
That it's a major problem in Chicago? Or that Chicago...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Chicago is the major entry point for "China White", a high-purity
heroin coming in from China, mainland China.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
Regarding this commentary of yours: you mentioned the Bohemian Grove. And there's a book by uh, Donham? I think the name is?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No. Bohemian Grove by Domhoff.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. And when we talked last Saturday, you and Joe
[Andreuccetti] had mentioned that you think April 28th is gonna
be a key date in the, this thing with Hillary and all.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well. April 28th, '95, is the date set for Webster Hubbell to be
sentenced. He's the former law partner of Hillary's, and was
formerly the number three person at the U.S. Department of
Justice.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. And, but you had also mentioned that there might be some
connection with, I think, what? The Bilderbergs are meetin' just
before that, or somethin'?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, right. The previous week, the Bilderberg Group is meeting.
(I forget what country they're meeting in.) But they meet in
secret, every year, in a different country. [other phone rings]
Hold on a minute.
[...pause...]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, so April 28th is a key date because the Bilderbergs will be
havin' their meeting and, before then, and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, we happen to see a connection; not everybody sees a
connection.
At the Bilderberg secret meeting in, about the same time of the year, after Easter in '91, is when they invited to their secret meeting Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton. And they more or less annointed him as the new President of the United States. He ran in '92, and all the negatives about him were played down in the press -- Gennifer Flowers and all these other things were "pooh- poohed" in the press because the ultra-rich had annointed him as their "fair-haired boy" to be the new President.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, just like you say in your commentary, "They put him in. And
they can pull him out."
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, Arkansas is a sizeable state, with a very small population.
Like two million? And they traditionally have been owned and
operated, the whole state, by the Rockefellers. A few terms
preceding Bill Clinton as Governor was Winthrop Rockefeller. It's
no secret that the Rockefellers own and operate Arkansas.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, and I had received a message before, regarding Systematics,
that they emphatically deny that they are tied up in anything.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well the reason they deny it is, according to published stories
(and I have a list of them, from America Online), Systematics
supplies integrated systems design -- pardon me -- computer
integrated systems design for financial entities, including banks
worldwide. And they reportedly are a secret unit of the code-
breaking spy agency, National Security Agency: NSA.
Yes, they deny it. I would expect them to deny it because, according to these stories which are compiled in a background piece about them, summarized in a series of items in America Online, they supply this computer system to major banks in the United States and around the world. Some of those stories were in various issues of American Banker, from about 1988 to date. And I got a list of them.
I would expect them to deny it! Yes.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, one final observation I have is that Hillary and Chelsea
are overseas at this point. And you had said before that the
marriage between Bill and Hillary is sort of a "CIA marriage",
that there's possibly not a great deal of actual love between
them.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well a "CIA couple" is similar to E. Howard Hunt and his late
wife, Dorothy. She held a higher position in CIA than he did. And
although they didn't get along well together, they did have
children. And, for all the world, they were a couple. But they
were a CIA couple, each with their own separate agenda, with CIA.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, my observation is that Hillary would have some natural
affection towards her daughter. And if Hillary knew that she's
about to go down, one of the last things that she might want to
do would be to do something nice, out of parental affection
towards Chelsea. Say, give her [a first-class tour of the world].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, there have been rumors, that apparently were heard by
Hillary, that a grand jury subpoena was "running after her" and
requiring her testimony. Well you can't get her testimony if
she's not in the United States!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, so possibly she's also just kind of fled the country for
awhile.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, she'll probably deny it. But the point is, um (uh, what
should I say?)...
By the way, the ALLTEL merged with Systematics, Incorporated, in April of '91, according to a story in Arkansas Business -- that's a magazine -- April 8th, '91 issue.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
All right, but so, if... She wants to flee, sort of flee the country, to avoid this subpoena or whatever. But can't they just wait for her to come back, and then issue the subpoena when she comes back?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
There's something about the April-May situation there. So far,
the independent prosecutor, Kenneth Starr, has delayed coming out
with a report saying that the previous, so-called "independent"
counsel, Fiske, was correct when he said that White House aide
Foster was a suicide.
Foster's children, according to a report in the London Sunday Telegraph (wait a minute, I'll get the date), published in the March 19th, 1995 edition of the Sunday Telegraph of London, says that the published reports in the United States, in the major newspapers here, are not correct. That there is still a lingering doubt about White House aide Foster, and the stories in the American press, that he was a suicide.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And so Starr is... You're sayin' that Starr is gonna back up what
Fiske had said about that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... The Wall Street Journal, and others, have published
stories like that. The difference is, there's a split in the
Wall Street Journal. The editorial department has run lengthy
editorials, which were really news items, raising the question
about these lingering doubts. However, the writing end of it,
front-page stories in the Wall Street Journal, recently "pooh-
poohed" the idea that there was anything strange that happened to
Vincent Foster, jr.
So... Here is a quote from the March 19th, '95 issue of the Sunday Telegraph of London:
The scheme involved use of an Arkansas computer firm as a front to help install software in foreign banks, central banks, and intelligence agencies around the world.
The software, known as PROMIS, was allegedly used to track money flows on behalf of U.S. Intelligence. Sources say that one of the files removed from Foster's office by a White House raiding party on the night of his death contained documents related to this operation.
I'm quoting from the March 19th, '95 issue of the Sunday Telegraph of London.
By the way, according to this story, Vincent Foster's eldest son, Vince junior, now works for the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. Which I find interesting.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So, a payoff, right?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, we have already interviewed traders on "the Merc", as they
call it. And they told me a year ago that they expect a major
scandal about money laundering work through the Chicago
Mercantile Exchange. The ones I interviewed claimed that they
themselves were not personally involved, but that other traders
that they knew, which they didn't wish to publicly identify to
me, were involved in the money flow from banks in Arkansas and
bond brokers in Arkansas, connected with Clinton, where the money
went up through Rostenkowski's bank -- Garfield Ridge Trust &
Savings Bank -- and, in turn, was "washed" through the Chicago
Mercantile Exchange.
I find it very interesting that in the story in the Sunday Telegraph of London, March 19th, '95, that they mention that Vince Foster's eldest son, Vince junior, is now employed by the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. Under the circumstances, I find it very interesting.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And you were talkin' about this Beryl Anthony, I think his name
is? Of [Winston & Strawn]...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. He is either the managing partner, or an important
partner, in the 400-member law firm, of which the chairman is Jim
Thompson (the former Governor of Illinois). And Beryl Anthony
apparently runs their District of Columbia office. And Beryl
Anthony is Foster's brother-in-law. Also, in the story in the
March 19th issue that I referred to, they point out that (um,
where did I see it here?), that one of the Anthony family held --
oh, here! Sheila Anthony, a top Justice Department official that
has been involved in choosing who is a U.S. Marshall, who is a
U.S. federal judge, and other key positions. She held that key
position in the U.S. Justice Department. And, under the
circumstances, I think the whole situation is quite interesting.
Until recently, Sheila Anthony, according to the London Sunday Telegraph story... (Uh, what does it say about her? Just a minute.) Until recently, she was associate attorney general, in charge of selecting U.S. federal Marshalls, prosecutors, and judges. A "very powerful position", according to the London paper.
Her husband, Beryl Anthony, was also involved. He is a former U.S. congressman from Arkansas, and used to be the treasurer of the Democratic National Committee. They are both Democratic insiders, with extremely close ties to the Clinton White House.
[...to be continued...]
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