("Quid coniuratio est?")
INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 6, 1995
On March 6, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone. The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And but he got a loan, using Andreuccetti's property as
collateral?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. And then, two other guys, one a bankruptcy auctioneer,
bought the building in his own name -- not as an auctioneer, but
in his own name. And...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
That was Lieberman.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Wallace Lieberman and Robert Belavia, a known gangster.
Read the interview with Redmer.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! All right, well where is the interview with her? Do you
have that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I sent it to you! It's... You got it already.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You mean those court documents.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You see there that her... She was part of the unit investigatin'
'em, and her higher-ups corruptly sped up the thing, to put him
away.
Lieberman was murdered... You see it there, right before...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Yeah. In Cicero. Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...in '91. Thereafter, all the land titles disappeared; you can't
find 'em on Chicago Title or where the trust was, with LaSalle
Bank.
You know what a land title is?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Uh, it just show who owns the property, right?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. It disappeared!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K.? You can't... When you go down there and inquire, they says,
"Oh, uh... 'glitch'. We can't find it anymore."
Hey. Notice what Redmer says: she said that her higher-ups in the Regional Director's Office of the IRS personally stole the property.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Do ya see the point!?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Uh it's a complex case, O.K.? And I'm tryin' to, you know, sort
it all out. And like I said...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right... Read the two-page story that I wrote about it, that
I sent you.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
"The Mysterious 50 Million Dollars". Read it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I did, you know? And it's, you know I...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
If you don't understand it, there's even skilled lawyers that
need a little help! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. I'm tryin' to sort it all out and get the picture here.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
This is a sophisticated scam!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Oh it's, I mean, the thing is just huge, you know? And it doesn't
just...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well Banco Lavoro is using the gold as collateral. That's number
one.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Nobody in Congress will mention Banco Lavoro, Chicago. Nobody!
Uh, what else? The $50 million is related to it, and that got wound in with Clinton.
Clinton is "up the wall" because -- uh the scandal involving Clinton also involves Ollie North and Bush, who are Republicans! So [laughs]... there's a complication.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And this Gierum confession: do you have a copy of that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh, part of it was put in the court record. I'll have to find
that page and send it to ya.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. 'Cuz I'd like to get that out on the Internet if I can. And
your...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Every, almost everything I'm tellin' ya has already been in the
court record. We confronted the government and their response is
to try to get an injunction to shut us up so that we don't
interview anybody anymore!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You know. And then there was that threat in the hallway, and so
on. I mean, somethin' about all this is bothering them. Do you
see what I'm saying?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
That's why, you know, like I say, I jumped ahead and... 'Cuz I'm
slowly typin' in these documents and gettin' 'em out there...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... I'm workin'... I mean, you know, if there was an honest,
free press in America, I would speed up my work on a possible
book. I don't think it can be published, unless I could raise the
money for private publication. Who the Hell is gonna, among the
small number of corporations that run the book business, are
gonna commission a book on this subject? Come on!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know, you might try (I was thinkin') Feral House is a small
publisher, maybe would...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Where are they at?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Offhand I don't know. I could check on it. But you know, they've
done kind of work in this. And Thunder's [Mouth]...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You can, you can see from the details I'm givin' ya that we've
got tons of information. Absolutely tons.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Yeah.
And the thing is that, it should be documented and brought out more. It might... Part of my hope in all this is that, you know, somebody in the press -- you know, this is goin' out on the Internet -- somebody in the press is gonna say, "Huh, there might be a story here." You know?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah but we're going on the fifth year of our show, we have an
estimated 500,000 viewers on Monday night, and nobody that's a
TV media critic of any of the major papers here ever will mention
us, a single word!!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And yet, if you were to talk to them -- the political editor of
the Tribune and all of 'em -- they all know about our show.
But they won't say a single word. We bother them. Why? Because,
you know, we interview, we investigate the federal reserve and
the Tribune company and stuff like that -- we bug them. So
we're invisible as far as they... They want us to be invisible
and never mentioned in their newspaper.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So why would you suspect that they would pick up on this and...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well it was my hope -- O.K.? -- that that would become so...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well, you know that it becomes so obvious you know? You've
got all this stuff...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Wait 'til you see what I sent you, that was in the Tribune and
never withdrawn! Why does the Tribune continue to run these
fraudulent stories, as if the bones were examined in a mine
shaft, of the Tsarist family, when after 50 years had passed,
they released documents from the British government that the Tsar
and his family were rescued!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It was published in their paper in 1970. I sent you a copy.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. You've also... You mentioned the Lincoln assassination.
This maybe is a change of subject. It's just somethin' I know a
little bit about: is, you know, that there was a higher plot
involved in that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well read the book, The Lincoln Conspiracy.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know what? I actually, I did a synopsis of that book and I
sent it out on the Internet.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well some historians question them, but it's basically true. They
question 'em about a few things there.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I don't see, you know I haven't found any historical book that
tries to -- except one book, all right? There's one book that
tries to answer that.
I mean, there's other books by, like, Otto Eisenschiml or whatever...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I got all of them...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...preceded this book. And the one's that criticized Lincoln
Conspiracy...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
They didn't know what they're talkin' about! I, from what I
read. I mean, I only found one book...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
There's a woman that runs a thing in, wherever the Hell it is, in
Maryland -- Surratt's [Museum]...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
She criticizes The Lincoln Conspiracy. But they have a
financial interest. I mean, they sell tickets so you can go and
visit their museum, see? I ain't selling tickets to anything.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. I mean, it's just, you know I bring that up because you had
mentioned that in some of your commentaries. And it's just, it's
a subject I know a little bit about, havin' looked into it. And
there's just so much suspicious circumstances surrounding that
assassination.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well read John Wilkes Booth's letter to a Washington, DC
newspaper, that was kept secret in the family that owned the
newspaper for 113 years. Read it. It's in that book.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Which book?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The Lincoln Conspiracy.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I don't remember that one! I...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh yeah, yeah! And the guys that surrounded Lincoln, many of 'em
were commodities speculators. And (I don't know how to put it to
you)... Read Julius Caesar, by Shakespeare. Who killed Julius
Caesar? His closest friends.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Why? They had some interest in opposition to their friend, so
they knocked him off. They all stabbed him to death. Read Julius
Caesar, by Shakespeare.
And likewise, Lincoln's friends had an interest to "croak" him. For financial reasons. They had big investments in the commodity markets in that day.
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