("Quid coniuratio est?")
INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 6, 1995
On March 6, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone. The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK [continues]:
So Tony turned to Judge Will. So now here's two CIA guys: Judge
Will, before taking the bench, had been head of counter-
intelligence in Europe, for CIA. O.K.?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So here's these two CIA guys walking through the lobby of the
courthouse, and they walk right into me, on purpose or
otherwise, and he starts talkin' to me about the show we did
about the gold under Andreuccetti's building, see?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So he made a, he made a -- what do you call it? He made an
apology for the thing. Like it was justified. That his people
were justified in murdering the Major and moving away the gold,
'cause the Major, the head of the unit in charge of this cave
full of gold, was gonna turn over the gold to the Italian
communist party.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. But they kept the gold for themselves though.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No, no, no...
The gold had been gathered up from the Vatican, from King Emmanuel. The House of Savoy. Because at the close of the war, King Emmanuel's property in Italy was forfeited. The details of how the new parliament in Rome forfeited his property started to be run in the book, a reference book called Statesman: 1946. And part of it is re-printed in the '72 issue of Statesman. If you get to a good reference library, you can see that. The House of Savoy.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Who is an heir to the House of Savoy? Joseph Andreuccetti.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. The plot thickens. Let me just run through a few basic
questions though here...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right. Well let me just tell you one more detail.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The reason they've kept Joe [i.e., Joseph Andreuccetti] in court,
going on the eleventh year, is they wanted to tie up his
signature. Now if you understand law, you would see the point. A
person's signature has no financial validity when there is a
bankruptcy trustee in charge of you. If you get pushed into
bankruptcy, your signature is crap! You can't do anything with
it, financially. So that the trustee...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Jay Steinberg?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...Jay Steinberg,
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...Hopkins & Sutter, RTC, the $50 million transfer, and all of
it... The reason they keep Joe pending in court is, it continues
to invalidate his signature.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K.? It's his signature that is so damn important.
Then, when you compare that with the Lynette Redmer interview (which the government has threatened me over, which they got an injunction against me and Joe over it), you can see what the importance is.
And there is Scariano, part of that O.S.S. unit, O.K.? He turns to this CIA intelligence chief, Judge Will, and he starts referring to "Skolnick's cable TV show". In my presence! In the presence of Joe and another associate.
Do you see the point?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Uh... It's a complex case, O.K.? And I'm workin' on it. And I'm
goin' through the court documents. And I got the, I jumped ahead
to the last documents and put them out, because it seemed to me
that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Listen. I'm thinking about writing a book. I'm working on a more
detailed story for Media Bypass.
[CN -- Media Bypass is a magazine, as I recall, handled independently by Tom Valentine, host of Radio Free America. It has no direct connection to Spotlight, to my knowledge. Skolnick's article, to appear in the next issue as I understand, deals with the Whitewater scandal. Skolnick has said he would send me a copy, but even if he remembers to send me a copy of it, I hesitate to distribute it, due to a recent "learning experience" I had in regard to my distribution of what I believed to be a summary of another author's material. So -- bottom line -- if you can find the magazine, read Skolnick's article. I will do what I can about trying to possibly summarize Skolnick's article, but I can't guarantee I will be doing so soon, if at all.]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The point of the thing is, the largest bank in Italy, owned in
part by the Pope, has got an office here, O.K.? Banca Nazionale
de Lavoro.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Banca Nazionale de Lavoro.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Now if you knew banking, you would see my point. I'll make the
point, it'll be on the tape, and you can study it.
The bank has the most sound collateral in the world. They have got it in with this gold, which is good collateral. Do you know what I mean? It's like...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! Sure.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They got, like, a warehouse receipt. It's not like a federal
reserve note, that's got nothin' behind it. Their -- whatever you
wanna call it -- their IOUs, that they issue as bank notes, from
this bank, with the branch in Chicago, is secretly backed up by
the gold that's under the ground in Building Four! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I told ya what happened before our show went on the air! One
member of the London gold pool admitted it to me later. He, at
great expense, he came with a giant back-hoe and started digging,
for no other good reason, behind Building Four.
I interviewed the president of the condo association. And she took me over, behind Building Four, and she says, "Look where they were digging over here. It didn't make any sense! There's nothing going on. Why were they digging?"
They were digging for a whole week, uh -- starting the day after we taped the show! Before the damn show even went on the air, they were already diggin' a big hole there -- see?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But what they found out [laughs]... I brought a hydraulic expert
to look at the place. There's an artificial lake near that
development, and, like the Pyramids of thousands of years ago,
there's a trick, see? If you try to get to the gold, you get
drowned. This artificial lake will get ya. It's hooked up by a
special device there. 'Cause right across the road from the
Kingspoint Condominiums is this artificial lake. And so, if you
try to get at the gold, you need to know the trick, see?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The lake will suddenly drown you, underneath there! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, there's some kind of a mine out in Nova Scotia or somethin'
that's kind of the same way; that they discovered some mine...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I brought some of the leading hydraulic experts in the world to
look at the thing, and they agree with me. I'm the first one that
looked at the lake and says, "Hey. I'm not a hydraulic expert.
What's with this lake!?" [laughs] So they noticed that there's
some kind of a trap door underneath one of the laundry rooms in
one of the buildings.
Anyways... Hey! If I write a book about it, it'll be astounding, I'm telling you.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! You ought to!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
A friend of mine contacted Oliver Stone, who knows me, and
they're thinkin' about makin' a movie about it. It, it's very
interesting.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. With Christian Henning, jr., O.K.? He's the godson and
nephew of Archbishop Paul Marcinkus...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Did you hear that interview we did with the consul-general of
Italy?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! That went out. That went out, I sent that out. I'm workin'
on... Did you get the, I sent you some information.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I got it. I didn't look it over. It just arrived in the
mail. Thank you, very much.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I'll send ya some more.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The point is that, Marcinkus is the key. They want... [sotto
voce] He's here, supposedly with diplomatic protection. The
Vatican is not Italy. And Italy is not the Vatican. The Vatican
is a separate sovereignty...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...within Italy. Do you see what I'm sayin'?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
And so, Italy wants him?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. Italy wants him on a thing left over from Michele Sindona.
His son, Nino Sindona, has been an export-import agent in
Chicago. And... Well... The guy that traded on the markets for
Michele Sindona has been trying to "put the arm on" [i.e.,
pressure], on Andreuccetti. It's a long story, separate by
itself. Just take my word, at the moment, that we got a lot of
details about that.
Sindona is mentioned in detail in Luigi DiFonzo's book, Luigi DiFonzo's book, St. Peter's Banker.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You can read about Michele Sindona. He was the Pope's banker. And
he was murdered in an Italian jail, after being extradited from
the United States.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And so we have Christian Henning, jr., uh, and he
represented himself as being in business with Andreuccetti and
got a loan...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Falsely!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah... falsely, yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Illinois law requires a written partnership: there is no such
thing.
[...to be continued...]
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