("Quid coniuratio est?")
INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 6, 1995
On March 6, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone. The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. I... All your stuff...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...That's O.K. It's in very small type and you didn't get around
to read it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No. In fact, I think I even put it on the Internet, now that you
mention it.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K. They got $2 million -- falsely described as "10 thou" [i.e.
10 thousand] by the press, O.K.? But the deal is, they didn't
want to blow out Nixon's brains, so they set him up at the
Watergate. And Woodward, who's...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
He's CIA, right?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Naval Intelligence.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...was the front -- not a journalist, understand...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And he had all the inside information, as if a secret contact
met him in an underground parking garage -- all of it B.S. [i.e.,
"Bullsh**"], O.K.?
Now, the Europeans apparently have... Well it was European journalists, together with some retired CIA people, that uncovered Clinton's secret Swiss accounts, by way of the Fuji Bank and the Grand Caymans -- that $50 million that we described went to Little Rock, to the Caymans, to Switzerland, and is there in the name of Chelsea Jefferson.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, this all ties in with the Andreuccetti case. And
that's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
...You sent me a lot of those...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And, and, and the thing is, one of Kenneth Starr's people told me
-- not to flatter me! -- that the thing that we have been working
on -- about the 50 million?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
-- is one of the most crucial points. They've already got the
date. They know the money arrived in Little Rock and went by way
of Fuji Bank, to the Caymans and off to Switzerland. And it got
mixed in with the Mena cocaine money, O.K.? Clinton's "cut" for
the deal. All right?
The thing is, they claim, that if that story ever gets into the popular press it will topple the government. That is their words: "It will topple the government."
So, they didn't tell me that to flatter me. 'Cause these are really hard-nosed investigators. You understand what I'm saying?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And, uh...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know, I had noticed last night that, just a brief spot on,
that there's four Supreme Court justices that are under
investigation for acceptin' perks, or somethin' like that? Have
you heard anything about that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No, no.
But understand what the problem is: there's a concerted attack on the central government. I don't want to pick up on LaRouche's theories, I'm not a supporter of his -- I stay neutral, regarding him.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I... I'm neutral also. He has some good ideas, but...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He claims that it's a British conspiracy.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh... It's the same thing as Watergate. You know what I mean?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They want Clinton out.
Hey, look how many months it took for Watergate.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, that dragged on.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...March of '73, to August of '74. And as you... As I have told
you, I got inside information from a top journalist, whose editor
killed a story about Spiro Agnew. And I was 6 months ahead of the
parade. And I must be a good 6 months -- oh, I'm at least a
year or more ahead of the parade on the Al Gore scandal.
And notice, the Wall Street Journal is going at the third-in- command, the Speaker of the House, Gingrich.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I just got the Journal just now. I was just out gettin' it. So
I haven't read it yet.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well not today, but in the past they've run very negative stories
about Gingrich.
So in other words, they've got enough goods to terminate the 3 top people of our government: the President, the Vice-President, the Speaker of the House. And what they want to do is cause a bad situation where they can put in Jay Rockefeller. Remember, they had a plan to put in Nelson...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I remember that, O.K.? And what? They were first gonna get
rid of Al Gore and then Jay Rockefeller was gonna come in and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I'll tell ya somethin': in '75, I had the same recorded lines,
you know?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And every one of my lines... At the time, I had older equipment,
that required more phones. I had 30 lines coming in to "1100"
[i.e., 312-731-1100], O.K.? They were all blocked! Because I
was running accurate stories about 3 genuine plots against Gerald
Ford. Um... "Squeeky"...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Fromme.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...Fromme. Uh... that other woman. What the Hell was her name
there?
There were 3 genuine plots. And the secret [Secret]... I called up a friend of mine, in the media, that I know. And he says, "Skolnick. You're on the top of the Security Index. It's a wonder that there's anything still going at your house, any kind of a utility." I was gonna picket the phone company, in '75. It was just no way... There was no way that... At the time I had about 35 lines, total. I got newer equipment now, that drops the lines quicker and therefore I don't need that many lines, see?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And there was no way that anybody could reach my message, during
that period when we ran exclusive stories about the plots against
Gerald Ford.
But what I'm getting to is, if there's something happened to Gerald Ford, who was the un-elected Vice-President? Nelson Rockefeller!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Do you see the point?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. And then... Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So in other words, there was a scheme to put in Nelson
Rockefeller as the un-elected... 'Cause a lot of people don't
like his name. And they don't like Jay Rockefeller, just because
of the name. Although he's very pleasant to... when you see him
on the television.
So there apparently is a plot to put in Jay Rockefeller as the new President. So they're... They're cranking up attacks on all three of 'em: Clinton, Gore, and Gingrich. They're gonna get rid of all three of 'em.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. You know, I have some questions on the Andreuccetti case.
I'm slowly but surely gettin' those documents out there. I kind
of...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well what are the questions.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right. This is how I understand it so far: Andreuccetti owned
the Kingspoint Condominiums. And did he own some other...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, they are 5 buildings. I don't know how many dozen...
hundred... apartments, that are, over here, called
"condominiums".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They're giant buildings, O.K.? In a whole development there.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And when the gold was purportedly put under Building Four...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. So that this is...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The cement trucks that came there were pouring cement like the
cement was going all the way down to China.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So there's... You mean there's also this thing with the gold, all
right? And that gold was what? The gold that was smuggled out of
Italy?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. And the one that was part of that unit, keeps, on purpose,
running into me: Illinois appellate court judge Anthony Scariano,
a former sergeant in the O.S.S. And he was part of the unit that
had the gold in a cave! In the last twenty-some odd years, since
1973 (that's 22 years), I have interviewed most of the members of
his unit. Scariano survived five military and civil
investigations in the 12 years following '44, when the gold
disappeared.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So that's the reason...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And then he came up to me, two years ago, in the presence of two
of my friends -- one of 'em being Andreuccetti -- and says,
"Skolnick, I saw your T.V. show," (this was... We did a T.V. show
in... We taped it in October of '92). He says, "There's some
inaccuracies there."
I says, "Well, Tony, I don't have no case pending in your court. So you could talk to me. What's inaccurate?"
So he turns to federal district judge Hubert Will, a senior, semi-retired judge who was walking with him -- and ran right into my wheelchair, on purpose or otherwise -- and he turns to him and he says, "Well. Skolnick's show referred to two people in my unit that murdered the Major and dumped him in a lake."
And then he went on to describe him. And from that I got to understand that Tony and others felt it was justified to murder the Major. Because the gold in the cave... The Major was gonna do what some would consider treason. He was gonna turn over the Italian gold to the partisans, the Italian... uh, the communistas, the Italian Communist Party!
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