Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num. 34

("Quid coniuratio est?")

EUSTACE MULLINS -- OCTOBER 28, 1994

Tom Valentine's guest on Radio Free America (Shortwave, 5.065 MHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on October 28, 1994 was controversial author Eustace Mullins. Note that views expressed in the following do not necessarily reflect my own views or those of Conspiracy Nation.

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TOM VALENTINE:
Now when you... You were just a young student. And Ezra Pound was a very controversial figure, world-renowned figure. [He] ended up, actually, exiled in Italy, didn't he?

EUSTACE MULLINS:
Yes, he did. And, in fact, he was never tried. They finally dropped all the charges against him, after holding him for thirteen-and-a-half years, and he went back to Italy!

VALENTINE

What were the charges?

MULLINS

Uh, treason...

VALENTINE

Sedition? That sort of thing?

MULLINS

Yes. They claimed that he had given aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States. Well, unfortunately, the enemies of the United States were Franklin D. Roosevelt and Alger Hiss. You know, it was Alger Hiss who secured Ezra Pound's indictment for treason from the Department of Justice.

VALENTINE

The famous turncoat, Alger Hiss.

MULLINS

Yes. The Soviet KGB agent.

VALENTINE

And now the media was coming out with a story, trying to say, "Oh Alger Hiss wasn't really a 'commie'."

MULLINS

Oh they've been saying that for years.

I was in Washington at the height of Alger Hiss' trials. We had meetings every day with Jim Wiggins, editor of the Washington Post, George Stimpson, founder of the National Press Club. And boy, did we have some battle royales about the Alger Hiss case.

VALENTINE

I'll bet!

All right, so you've been born and raised in this area of Virginia, near the nation's capital, haven't you?

MULLINS

Yes. I'm not far from Washington. In fact, I really grew up on Capitol Hill and the Library of Congress! Not only... Actually [I] was on the staff of the Library of Congress for quite awhile.

VALENTINE

Is that right. See, no wonder you had access to a lot of things. And Ezra Pound, then: did you get to know him pretty well?

MULLINS

Oh I visited him every day for three years. And for three years, every day, he lectured me on world history! So that's how I found out what I know.

VALENTINE

That is fascinating.

All right. My guest is Eustace Mullins. And we are talking about history. We're gonna just talk, if you don't mind, in a general way, Eustace, about things that you have seen, starting back in the times when you were influenced by Ezra Pound and it shaped your life for ya. And what we have gone through since then, to the point we are now. I think it would be kind of an interesting trail to follow.

I'm Tom Valentine, this is Radio Free America.

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All right, we're back, live. If you'd like to join us, it's 1- 800-878-8255. Those of you out there who are not into the idea of conspiracies, you're gonna get a real education here.

All right, so here you were, Eustace, as a young man. And now, here we are, this many years later. Have you ever sat down and just kind of chronicled in your mind how things have followed the patterns that people like Ezra Pound predicted they would?

MULLINS

Oh very much so. You see, Ezra had already been studying this situation for 40 years when I met him. So he turned over a lot of that 30, 40 years of research to me, which got me off to a flying start. And when I published my federal reserve book in 1952 (it's been in print since 1952), I would go to meetings and people would (and I was quite young-looking in those days), and people would say to me, "That's a great book that your father wrote."

VALENTINE

Yeah.

MULLINS

Because they couldn't believe that I had written this definitive history of the central bank at my age. And, of course, I could not have done it without Pound's guidance.

VALENTINE

All right. There's a lot of people that don't really understand why you and I will say that the federal reserve is the biggest problem America has. Can... Put together: why is it and how... Tell the story of how it came to pass.

MULLINS

Well they had a secret meeting at the millionaires club, on Thanksgiving of 1910, at Jekyll Island, Georgia. Which, at that time, the members of the Jekyll Island club controlled one-sixth of the wealth of the entire world. These people were very powerful: Rockefeller, Morgan, Aldrich... The same people, by the way, the same banking houses, which are running the world today, they got together in 1910. And this "federal reserve" was simply a takeover scheme! It was sort of like a Mafia group of chieftains, getting together for the biggest robbery in history!

VALENTINE

And Nelson Aldrich was a very powerful senator. And he was related to the Rothschilds, I mean to Rockefellers, and so he was the one that pushed it through Congress.

MULLINS

Well he certainly was. And also, he was the chairman at this secret meeting down there. And of course, his daughter married John D. Rockefeller, jr. So that's how he had a grandson named Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller.

VALENTINE

O.K. Now. Nelson Rockefeller's a very familiar name -- the grandson.

Now these fellows: why would commercial bankers like this -- the House of Morgan, and I believe even the European bankers are in on this, are they not?

MULLINS

Oh yeah. Well this meeting was actually commissioned by Albert Rothschild of London. It was a Rothschild meeting, really.

VALENTINE

O.K. So the banking House of Rothschild... And I remember another name, a very powerful name, called Warburg.

MULLINS

Oh the Warburg... Paul Warburg was there at Jekyll Island. He represented the House of Rothschild in the United States, secretly, through a firm called Kuhn-Loeb Company, of New York.

VALENTINE

Well they're still around!

MULLINS

Oh yeah. Kuhn-Loeb is now part of Lehman Brothers, ShearsonLehman. But Kuhn-Loeb's senior partner at that time, Paul Warburg's senior partner, Jacob Schiff, actually advanced $20 million of his personal funds to perpetrate the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia!

VALENTINE

That's a famous story that's not famous.

MULLINS

That's right. And you see, it took me many years of research to find out that Communism had been totally backed and financed and promoted by the federal reserve system!

VALENTINE

That is just a scarey thing for Americans to hear. 'Cause -- "Wait a minute! We just spent 40 years in a Cold War. You mean to tell me we were building up all of our armaments and everything for people that we financed!?"

MULLINS

That's right! Even during the Cold War, the federal reserve system continued to finance the Soviet Union -- which was never a viable economy; it was a Third World economy. And we continued to finance, through the federal reserve system, through the Bank for International Settlements, in Switzerland. That's how we kept the Soviet Union going all these years. That's why we had to spend $248 billion a year for defense against this monstrous Soviet Union during the Cold War!

VALENTINE

And the guys in... Wall Street types actually financed it, in order to get it going and to build ourselves an enemy.

MULLINS

They had to, from the very beginning. From 1917 on. In fact, Anthony Sutton has a very good book: Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, which gives you a lot of the facts on that. And, of course, I have that in my World Order also.

ALENTINE

Yes. The New World Order has it. [CN -- See also an excellent book of the same name by Pat Robertson.]

Now, it's interesting. Money. They want to control the money. And they did that, naturally, because the federal reserve system -- which is a private banking group, based upon what you discovered is absolute proof...

And oh! One more item. Didn't it slip through Congress at a very strange period in time?

MULLINS

Uh Christmas of 1913.

VALENTINE

Christmas. Wait around for the Christmas break and pass it through Congress.

Was it a voice vote?

MULLINS

No, it was a majority vote.

You see, what happened: many of the congressmen who opposed this federal reserve act in 1913 (including Charles Lindbergh of Minnesota, father of the aviator), they had to go home for Christmas, which was a long trip in those days. There were no 747s to whisk them [to] Minnesota in a couple hours. And so they left about the 15th of December. Well on December the 23rd, the senators who were left rushed it through Congress and got it passed...

VALENTINE

And they had a quorum.

MULLINS

And they had a quorum, and it was passed legally. And the New York Times commented: "Never has legislation of such importance been passed so quickly under such circumstances."

VALENTINE

And yet the people didn't catch on! And of course they didn't catch on because the New York Times didn't really say, "This is a scam." They probably were all for it.

MULLINS

Oh they were for it entirely. Well in fact, the Warburg... Paul Warburg, who secretly wrote the federal reserve system, was actually controlling the New York Times at that time.

VALENTINE

Fascinating. And people wonder why you and I are "conspiracy nuts".

MULLINS

Yes.

VALENTINE

[laughs] All right, my guest is Eustace Mullins. We're talking now about his books and about the, well, "conspiracy fact".

And you live in these United States. You need to know these things.

1-800-878-8255, if you'd like to join us.

I'm Tom Valentine, this is Radio Free America.

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