Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 2 Num. 17

("Quid coniuratio est?")

TERRY REED / JOHN CUMMINGS INTERVIEW

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JACK [Phone caller]:
Hi. I have a couple of quotes for you gentlemen.

TOM DONAHUE:
All right.

JACK

And a couple of questions: one on Bush, one on Clinton and the CIA.

DONAHUE

Mmm-hmm [understands].

JACK

First quote comes from Elie Wiesel -- you know, the holocaust man, the great Elie Wiesel? -- who says that the CIA should be abolished! The quote is, "The CIA should be eliminated."

I guess, you know, one wonders... The abuses...

DONAHUE

So does former President Harry Truman...

JACK

That's right. Yeah.

DONAHUE

...or did.

JACK

Anyway. Also, another quote is from, I guess the second leading man in the government, the Speaker of the House, leader of Congress, Jim Wright, when he was the Speaker from Texas. And he said that the CIA (this is about a year before he was forced out), he said, "The CIA causes all these riots and troubles and assassinations and wars all around the world." I don't know if you remember that famous quote or not.

My two questions, though, uh the first one on Bush and one on Clinton: Do you remember that, in the late '80s, that this memorandum came out about George Bush? It said that there was a "George Bush", who was a CIA agent or operative, in Dallas the day that the President, our beloved President Kennedy...

DONAHUE

...either the CIA or the government reported to Bush. Um...

JACK

Bush denied this emphatically, that he was the "George Bush" agent for the CIA. I mean, God forbid he was the trigger man or whatever. But the point is that, you know, that that was reported. That memorandum. I was wondering if your two guests had heard that.

DONAHUE

All right. Thanks, Jack.

JACK

And my question [cut off]...

DONAHUE

I want to go back to our guests here on this.

Uh, George Bush's connections. Some have alluded he was involved somehow, maybe even on the fringes, of the Kennedy assassination, and he was in the CIA at that time.

TERRY REED:
Well I have no personal knowledge of that, of course. But I think... I say this about... To address the question about the CIA: We, right in the front of the book... I went to the Harry Truman archives, the library, and found a letter that we put right in the front of the book, about Truman's views on the CIA. Because Harry Truman is the man that formed the CIA. {1}.

Now I, like Harry Truman, feel that the CIA's mission was to gain intelligence. And I think we still need that, especially now, with the USSR no longer in business and the fight over plutonium and everything else that's going on. {2}. But I don't think that the CIA's mandate should be to tamper with foreign governments. I think, as Harry [Truman] indicated in that letter, in the front of the book, (which is a real short letter, I'll read one paragraph...)

DONAHUE

Why don't you do that.

REED

It says, "The CIA was set up by me for the sole purpose of getting all the available information to the President." Period. "It was not intended to operate as an international agency engaged in strange activities. Sincerely yours, Harry S. Truman."

Being a man that speaks rather directly -- and I think I'm the same way. I was raised near his home and we're taught to speak pretty straight in southern Missouri -- I agree with Harry.

DONAHUE

He commissioned it. He was the architect of this, believing that this agency would serve the President and the Congress and give the information we needed on potential enemies or perceived enemies at that time. But it is now an agency completely out of control, that doesn't seem to report to anyone and has a massive budget. My understanding is a $30 billion budget?

REED

Well its budget is even classified, right?

But no, it [CIA] wasn't even to report to Congress, Tom, it was just to him [Truman]. If you study the history of when he took over the Presidency -- Roosevelt was such a strong President and had been in office for so long, when Harry assumed the office, he didn't trust the people around him. They were disobedient. They lied to him; he caught them lying. Because, as he put in one of his letters that I've read, the Department of Agriculture had a better worldwide intelligence network than he did! He was caught between the military lying to him, and the Department of Agriculture, which had agents in the field monitoring crops around the world. It was an amazing environment when he took over. And I think it was almost a coup environment. So he formed the CIA, literally with a handful of people. I believe it was, initially, 5 guys. And then it grew into 8 or 10. And then, of course, it just kept mushrooming...

DONAHUE

And it became a greater creature, a monster, if you will, than all others put together, or combined.

REED

But he had it under control, until Congress took it over. Congress became jealous of the fact that he had access to information and they didn't. And a major play was made to basically turn it into a federal agency. And they were successful in doing that.

DONAHUE

O.K. Let's -- and I just want to thank the sponsor. We're not gonna take the "time out" here except just to thank Swiss America Trading [...]

Bill Clinton. His involvement. When did he know? What did he know? How much involvement in this Mena, Arkansas, either operation or cover-up, do you believe the President to be?

REED

Well John [Cummings] and I devoted 3 chapters and 31 pages to a meeting that took place in the spring of '86. I don't profess, Tom, to have been in charge of this operation. I just sort of acquired knowledge, as anyone would over 15 months or so.

But basically, I couldn't see how this could be going on, at the level it was, without state involvement. After I was involved a little on the light of a year, I received an "accidental promotion" as I call it, or a "field promotion", and was then put in play with this guy, Bob Nash, who was a cabinet-level officer of Clinton's government [in Arkansas.] He [Nash] wanted to know how many flights were being flown, what the status of the training was. So I knew at that point that the state was at least "in the loop" from an informational level.

But the meeting in the spring of '86, that Clinton attended as we were pulling out of Arkansas: He [Clinton] showed up unannounced, uninvited. Bob Nash was supposed to attend to represent the state, but he [Clinton] showed up to complain about certain things -- and it takes a long time to discuss that. But basically, he was in trouble politically that year and did not want to be left with the "baggage", of the residue, of this operation, coming out and blind-siding him during what was turning out to be a very contested political uphill battle for him in the spring of '86.

So based upon that meeting and the conversation that ensued, I can say he knew all about it. Certainly he didn't appear to be [unclear] to complain about the withdrawal of something if you weren't aware of its presence to begin with. {3}.

[...to be continued...]

--------------------------<< Notes >>---------------------------- {1} "...Harry Truman is the man that formed the CIA." This is our Karma: Truman, representing us as our President, drops the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In return, to pay off our Karmic debt, we get the CIA.

{2} "...with the USSR no longer in business and the fight over plutonium and everything else..." Could explain the reports of Russian military equipment being seen in the U.S., as is being thoroughly covered by The Spotlight. We know there is a Russian mafia that is "asset stripping", i.e., selling state property on the black market. Suppose the U.S. is buying Russian military equipment at bargain prices from the new Russian mafia: Would the U.S. government admit to this?

U.S. government buys Russian military items from the Russian mafia, brings these items to the U.S., items are seen, alarm is sounded: Russian military equipment in U.S.! What will the U.S. government do, admit they bought the equipment on the black market? Or will they do their usual denials, and thereby (inadvertently) further inflame anxieties regarding the presence of Russian military equipment?

{3} From the book (Compromised, by Terry Reed & John Cummings):

Now the meeting was starting to turn into a shouting match. Terry [Reed] quietly observed that Clinton appeared on the verge of losing his well-rehearsed, statesman-like demeanor. Stopping investigations around Mena had helped the CIA and its bosses in Washington, but it had not solved any of the governor's local political problems. And these same problems were threatening to unveil the Mena operations. [Chapter 17, "New Covenant", p. 230.]

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Brian Francis Redman bigxc@prairienet.org "The Big C"

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