Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 2 Num. 10

("Quid coniuratio est?")

TERRY REED / JOHN CUMMINGS INTERVIEW

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TOM DONAHUE:
Welcome back. The book is Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA. How the Presidency was co-opted by the CIA. Terry Reed, John Cummings, are our guests. We'll be going to your phone calls in just a few minutes.

The book is available (I think) through some of the bookstores. {1}. But we're making it available to our listeners. [...gives info on how to order book...]

I want to go straight to John Cummings, investigative reporter and co-author of this book. John, why did Terry [Reed] come under attack? There are consequences when you speak out.

JOHN CUMMINGS:
Well Terry, of course, has a lot of knowledge that's very detrimental to some very big people -- namely, George Bush and Bill Clinton.

But a point I wanted to make, above and beyond that, is one of the fascinating aspects to this story. And I know everyone's focusing on Bill Clinton being involved, and George Bush. But a very parallel story is occurring south of the border, south of your [i.e. Texas] border, with Mexico. One of the people...

DONAHUE

You mean our "NAFTA Neighbor"?

CUMMINGS

Huh?

DONAHUE

Our "NAFTA Neighbor".

CUMMINGS

Your "NAFTA Neighbor", that's how...

And Terry was put in play with a man, he was a young, aspiring Governor (like Bill Clinton) of a state in Mexico -- Michoacan -- and now he's the leading candidate, or a leading candidate, for the President of Mexico. And that's Cuauhtemoc Cardenas.

And he was put into play, with Terry, by the CIA so that they could set up some kind of permanent facility in Mexico for the production of arms and other activities.

And I... To me, it's fascinating that you have this parallel story of a Governor in Arkansas, and the Governor of Michoacan. And this is a man who the polls say, if they don't have a rigged election this time, could be the President of Mexico by the end of this year. {2}.

DONAHUE

So it wouldn't be stretching the point to say that many Presidential creations, here and abroad (or, to the south of our border), are... they're CIA creatures, or creations.

CUMMINGS

Well many leaders in small, third-world countries are CIA creations. I mean, we have 'em all over Latin America. Uh, as far as I know, this is the first one in the United States. But I could be wrong about that.

DONAHUE

Hmm. Interesting. And your involvement with Terry Reed: I know you touched on it in the first hour, but expound on that. Why are you involved with Terry and working with him so closely?

CUMMINGS

Because it's a story I've been searching for for a long time! Ever since 1961, when the Bay of Pigs turned into such a disaster. And it's the confluence of political influence with intelligence operations, both [political] parties being "in bed together", and the confluence of guns and drugs.

And Terry was talking before about the people in Arkansas who were trying to investigate. And it's interesting (and we have it in the book): there's a photo of Terry, taken by one of the local police, standing in front of the hangar at the Mena airport, in 1984 -- just at the time he said. In fact, it was a very key piece of evidence for me, that made me convinced that the story (this was early on), that the story he was telling me was true.

DONAHUE

Why was Terry indicted? What's the circumstances there?

CUMMINGS

Well, when Terry found out about the drugs in Mexico being run out of his hangar, he said, "I'm no longer," (you know), "gonna be part of this. That's not something I want to be involved in." And at that point he made what he thought was an honorable exit from Mexico, only to find out that certain people in Arkansas, along with the Justice Department, had targeted him for indictment. And possibly death.

DONAHUE

And, to be indicted for what reason?

CUMMINGS

He was indicted for allegedly stealing his own airplane and then collecting the insurance on it. Which of course was untrue, and he was acquitted by a judge of that charge -- after the government, after two-and-a-half years, announcing it had no case and it had no evidence.

DONAHUE

And about that time...

CUMMINGS

...decided to shut him up. I mean they were trying to close his mouth.

DONAHUE

So Terry was speaking out at that time.

CUMMINGS

No, but they were afraid. Terry wasn't speaking out at that point in time, but they were afraid he would.

DONAHUE

Because he said, "No more," and he...

CUMMINGS

[There has been contention for who will speak (above). Now Cummings interrupts] I'm sorry. They considered him a "whistle blower" I guess.

DONAHUE

Or if not, a potential whistle blower because...

CUMMINGS

A potential whistle blower.

DONAHUE

...he separated himself and was parting ways.

CUMMINGS

Yes. And I'm sure George Bush, who was running for election at that point in time, did not want to have Terry Reed talking, nor did Bill Clinton either, in Arkansas.

DONAHUE

Bottom of the hour pause here. Right back. Stay tuned.

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Tom Donahue, "America's Town Forum," patriotism in action. Terry Reed, John Cummings, are our special guests. The book is Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA. How the Presidency was co-opted by the CIA.

Are we ready for calls, gentlemen? Or John, did you want to say anything more before we...

CUMMINGS

No, that was the only point I wanted to make -- about Mexico.

DONAHUE

O.K.

CUMMINGS

I thought it would be of some interest. Particularly...

DONAHUE

What was the time line (before we go to the calls) on the indictment and Terry being cleared of those charges?

CUMMINGS

Well, it was two-and-a-half years.

DONAHUE

Give us the exact dates on those.

CUMMINGS

He was indicted, I believe, on June 1st, 1988... That's right.

DONAHUE

'88. O.K.

CUMMINGS

And he was acquitted by a judge on November the 9th, 1990.

DONAHUE

Hmm. O.K. And obviously George Bush would have been deeply concerned about this information getting out if... He wouldn't have been President. And certainly Clinton knew of his Presidential hopes and aspirations.

CUMMINGS

Well it's particularly true, because one of the people who was Terry's superior in Mexico was a man named Felix Rodriguez, who boasts openly about his relationship with George Bush.

[...to be continued...]

--------------------------<< Notes >>---------------------------- {1} Yes, the book is available through the bookstores or can be ordered through them.

{2} Regarding Cuauhtemoc Cardenas: He did not win the election for President of Mexico.

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