Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 1 Num. 56

("Quid coniuratio est?")

[From an interview with Linda Thompson on the For the People radio show, Feb. 11, 1994. Host is Chuck Harder.]


CHUCK HARDER: We are back. Linda Thompson is our guest.

So, what you're talking about then, Linda... Are you there?


HARDER: O.K. you're talking about total control by the central government. Isn't that what they want?

THOMPSON: And that's exactly what we have. And that was what NAFTA was really about. The one thing that nobody really got the message on is that NAFTA is being given the effect of a treaty. It was not voted properly as a treaty; two-thirds of our Senate should have ratified it, but did not.

HARDER: Right.

THOMPSON: Uh, yet it's being given the force of a treaty. And based on our Constitution, a treaty has the same power as the Constitution and, in fact, can essentially supersede it. NAFTA has done that, and it put our country under an international tribunal that controls the economy. Our economy is now controlled not by us, not by our elected officials, but by an international tribunal. So we are already to that point. We have already lost our Constitution {1}. We've already lost our rights. And we already have an international tribunal running our economy. And we have leaders that are in position to make certain that our economy is devastated, to the point that we all become, essentially, subservient to the government. Because we're gonna be dependent on the government for our food supply, our health care... everything will be controlled by the centralized government. And these are the very people that want not just a one United States government control, but a one world government control. That's the plan.

HARDER: Yeah. We know that that has been going on. And the beautiful thing about it is, anybody who wants to uh, research that can go back to the Council on Foreign Relations magazine, which is called "Foreign Affairs." They can go back to the early '70s and the Richard Gardner writings uh, where this is the plan, it was the plan, they have admitted it's the plan.

But there is a problem. And the problem is that normally, government doesn't do much very well. Wars are fought by governments. Obviously, they're not fought very well. Every once in a while a very bright commander comes along, but, you know, they're terrible devastation. And governments normally don't run businesses very well. And, you know, I find it difficult to see privatization as, supposedly, the key, when really, the central government wants control. You can't have it both ways. Can you?

THOMPSON: Well, you can't have... um, they're not actually privatizing anything. So no, you couldn't have both things. But this is a case of "Watch my left hand, so you don't see what I'm doing with my right hand." They say one thing and do another {2}. You're not actually seeing any privatization of anything with this administration or the past administrations. What you're seeing is more and more centralized control by the government of everything. And what is privatized is under such heavy government regulation that, for all intents and purposes, it's government control.

HARDER: Well again, while I agree with you there, the New York Times put it rather succinctly on Sunday, January 30th, I believe it was. I have the paper at home. They ran a story in their business section that uh, it is so bad now. Red tape is so bad that for every $100 that business pays to the U.S. government in taxes, business pays $399 in compliance and make-ready cost to pay the 100 bucks.

THOMPSON: Well the people in business have the ability to totally call a halt to this by refusing to be a collection agency for the Internal Revenue Service...

HARDER: [Interjects. Somewhat panicy] Well, again, that's something that we would not agree with because of the fact that we believe we've gotta pay taxes {3}. And what we'd rather see is the folks work within the system and that's...

We're gonna get right back to Linda Thompson next hour, folks. And we'll take your specific calls on Waco at 1-800-TALK-YES.

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[...commercial break...]

HARDER: I think you could best call it, "An American Tragedy." We're talking about Waco, the essential murder, if you please, or the killing of innocent people at the hands of government agents. Call it a "rogue element" in the government. Call it "an idea that was bad to begin with, and then went from bad to worse." Call it whatever you want, children died; innocent people died.

How many... Linda Thompson is our guest. Linda, how many people died in Waco?

THOMPSON: 100, total. 4 government agents and 96 Branch Davidians. 25 children, 17 of 'em under the age of 5.

HARDER: 17 children under the age of 5.

THOMPSON: That's what um, "Forgive Us. We Didn't Know" is all about {4}. But that, that... The children in there could not possibly be blamed for anything at all. If you can't focus on anything but that one point -- What was our government thinking of when they launched a military assault on a house full of people that included 50 children {5}?

HARDER: In addition to that, you told me, off the air, that those tanks fired mortar rounds.

THOMPSON: That's right. We've got footage -- that's in "Waco II" -- shows the tanks shooting the mortar rounds. The Department of Justice report admits that they fired ferret grenades into the house. Well ferret grenades are grenades that are fired from cannon. They fired 40-millimeter rounds into that house. And you can see where they hit the house. We've got the pictures of the mortar round holes. These things usually shoot two at one time. And to fire a very good pattern takes a fairly experienced, well- trained person to fire this tank. Because you can't see where you're shooting. This is all done by spotters and things inside the tank. It takes a well-trained person to do this. And there's a perfect, square pattern formed on one of the towers that's been hit by these mortar rounds. It could only have been done by an experienced military person. This is more proof that there was active-duty military there.

But the best proof that we have now, we've gotten a tape from one of the FBI SWAT teams. It was a home video that one of their people made that shows very close-up footage of the tanks, some of the men gassing the tanks, this kind of thing. And they're military. There's no question, they're military.

And then some of the footage that we've got after the fire of the guys getting out of the tanks: they're wearing 82nd Airborne berets and military uniforms. Now that's interesting because the initial raid by ATF was planned in concert with 7th Special Forces out of Fort Bragg.

And the final, after-action reports on ATF and -- not after- action, but the uh, independent investigation reports on ATF and Department of Justice say, and recommend that, all the federal police agencies be trained by Delta Force, Special Forces, and SEAL Team 6, which is Special Forces. And these aren't just Special Forces, they are the hunter-killer teams of Special Forces. They're the nastiest of nasties. And they're suggesting that American government police agencies be trained by these. These agencies don't have any jurisdiction to operate anywhere but on us.

(to be continued)

-----------------------<< Notes >>------------------------------- {1} "We have already lost our Constitution." I can see Thompson's point, however as she herself said previously, the necessary two- thirds of the Senate did not ratify the treaty. Thus it can be argued that NAFTA never really was approved and is not therefore in effect.

{2} "They say one thing and do another." Like for example the "Tax Reform Bill" in the 1980s, that they said was going to make it easier and simpler to pay your taxes. Now they are saying "Crime Bill." Does this really mean we will have more crime? More laws = More lawyers. More crimes = More criminals. More prisons = More prisoners.

{3} Harder has had IRS agents auditing both him and his organization for the past year. As he has said, they are "on a fishing expedition" and it appears that they are harassing him for daring to speak out against the creeping fascism in this country. It seems to me that Harder deliberately cut off Thompson's train of thought regarding businesses refusing to act as tax collection agencies for the U.S. government. With IRS agents breathing down his neck, Harder's terror can be understood.

{4} "Forgive Us. We Didn't Know." Not sure what this is. It may be a song I have heard played on Tom Donahue's show regarding Waco and the 17 children under the age of 5 who died there on April 19, 1993.

{5} "...launched a military assault on a house full of people that included 50 children..." Here, Thompson may mean the initial raid on February 28, 1993. This would explain the apparent discrepancy between her previous statement that 25 children had died and this statement regarding a house full of people that included 50 children. The report of The Committee for Waco Justice, page 21, indeed lists the names and ages of many children who left Mount Carmel during the siege. (Committee for Waco Justice, PO Box 33037, Washington, DC, 20033. Phones: 202- 986-1847 and 202-797-9877.)

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