("Quid coniuratio est?")
[From an interview with the former marketing director of the Arkansas Development and Finance Authority, and former associate of Bill Clinton, Larry Nichols. This interview took place on the May 5, 1994 "America's Town Forum" radio show, hosted by Tom Donahue. The show is broadcast most weekday evenings at 7 pm (cst) on shortwave frequency 5.810 mHz. (Nichols speaks via telephone with Donahue.)]
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TOM DONAHUE: We're back. We're talking with Larry Nichols. He has a major part, and contributor in, 2 videos: The Clinton Chronicles will be soon released. And he's in the Clinton's Circle of Power video. We're making that available for $20.
Um, I guess you could really call it Clinton's Circle of Thugs, or Clinton's Lust for Power, 'cause that's really what we have here, don't we Larry? (And I want you to pick up where you left off.)
LARRY NICHOLS: Yessir, it is. And to go back where I was. The incredible thing last week was, I got 5 calls from Wall Street, whatever you call 'em, brokerage firm people, wanting to know if the Paula Jones suit was gonna be filed. And I said, "Yes, I believe it is." They said, "Well you can't do that, basically, because the dollar versus the yen," (whatever that means), "is like at 100 and, one more scandal is going to destroy the dollar- yen whatever."
And what I had to tell 'em was, "You don't seem to understand. Paula Jones didn't do anything wrong. All of the stuff I've been doin', I haven't done anything wrong. The bombshell that's coming Sunday isn't my fault. The problem is Bill Clinton. If the market's unstable, it's him, not us."
DONAHUE: You've got these financial wheeler-dealers, uh wanting to protect our financial assets, rather than the nation's assets and what's in the best pursuit and light of justice. They're calling you and I guess threatening, or implying threats, if you don't do something about, uh stifling this woman.
NICHOLS: Yeah. I mean they didn't threaten me, but they said, you know, "You're destroying the economy."
I'm not destroying anything. He is.
DONAHUE: They wanted you to believe that if this would go forward, that it would destroy the economy, the united States, and that should supersede justice prevailing.
NICHOLS: That's right. Now the good news is, the reason Bill Clinton will be forced to resign at the end of this month, the first of next, is because, you see, it's starting to affect the Power. You see, Clinton's not the power. He's a cheap, tin man. As a matter of fact, now that the Paula Jones' story is out, you understand that he's really a sexual pervert. He's "white trash." But he's probably 5th to 7th level player. And Stephens, for example, the people that own him, are probably maybe 3 or 4 level. I don't even know who's the 1st and 2nd level! But you see, he's starting to affect their money. And they're going to explain to Bill Clinton, as this stuff proceeds, that now, his bein' President is hurting him... or hurting them. And they'll give him an explanation, that he will understand, that he needs to go ahead and resign.
DONAHUE: They'll make him an "offer he can't refuse."
NICHOLS: Absolutely.
DONAHUE: And it won't be a pretty picture if he says no.
NICHOLS: I would think with the Vince Foster death, that they can prove their point fairly clearly.
DONAHUE: Gotcha.
O.K. Let's take a couple calls here. Thanks for being so patient, callers. Let's go to Carol in Boston. Hi, Carol.
CAROL: Good morning, Tom...
DONAHUE: Hi. Go ahead.
CAROL: ...and Mr. Nichols. I can hardly hear you.
Anyway. I have a question for Mr. Nichols. I heard him on this talk show, and he talked about 2 sealed indictments that were "coming down" this week?
NICHOLS: Yes, ma'am. There are 2 sealed indictments. I did not say they were "coming down" this week.
CAROL: Oh. I'm sorry.
NICHOLS: Um, through my sources... Now this is interesting, and you need to hear the whole story. Through my sources, I understand...
DONAHUE: Let's let Carol go and listen on her radio. Go ahead, Larry.
NICHOLS: I have very good confidence in my sources. Indictments were sealed for Betsy Wright and George Stephanopoulos for obstruction of justice, perjury before a grand jury.
Now. A sealed indictment can stay sealed for years. A sealed indictment generally means that the prosecutors are trying to leverage that person into turning state's evidence against the next person up.
Robert Fiske came out, and remember, in a grand jury you're never, in that kind of a thing, you're never supposed to reveal what's going on. {1}.
The Washington Times, in a rumors column (and remember, it's a rumor at this point), in the rumors column of the Washington Times they said that there are indictments and others coming, sealed, against Stephanopoulos and Betsy Wright.
Fiske came out and said openly that there is no indictment. Now, you can't have it both ways. Either don't talk about it, or do talk about it. Don't tell people that they can't find out information, and then tell them information when it benefits Clinton.
DONAHUE: Right. At this point it's pure speculation.
NICHOLS: Well it's something when the man, the lead prosecutor, comes out on pure speculation, and on a rumor, and tries to dispel it. Now think about the magnitude of that. If the paper had said they had the documents, then he could respond.
DONAHUE: Absolutely.
NICHOLS: It's incredible what's going on.
DONAHUE: What do you think of Mr. Fiske?
NICHOLS: He's an absolute "ringer" [i.e. not what he seems]. Let me give you another example.
When Gary Lane of CBN was in town, they had stumbled into, at ADFA, they had seen a document that was very damning. No one had ever seen it before. They started pressuring 'em. The next day, in comes Fiske's people and subpoenas those documents and seals 'em from the light of day.
Just last Thursday, the Chicago Board of Trade said they found all of the trades that Hillary made.
DONAHUE: Right.
NICHOLS: Friday mornin' at 9 o'clock, Robert Fiske seals those... files a subpoena and seals that information.
DONAHUE: He's like a paper "Pac-man," goin' around scarfing up everything that could be brought out in the public view. Uh, and God only knows what he's gonna do with it.
NICHOLS: How can he, Tom, represent the people of America when, in fact, he represented BCCI and Clark Clifford? And Whitewater is going to lead in, since it's the same cast of characters, to BCCI. And he can't prosecute former clients. He can't prosecute, he can't investigate International Paper. International Paper sold 200 some acres to Whitewater, got a loan at ADFA. He can't investigate them because he represented 'em.
DONAHUE: L.J. Davis, in his article (and we've interviewed him), "The Name of the Rose," talked in detail about BCCI and their connections and how they got started in Little Rock...
NICHOLS: That's right. So you see...
DONAHUE: ...within the confines of the united States.
NICHOLS: So ya see how we're outnumbered? I mean here's Robert Fiske, appointed by Janet Reno, who represented Clark Clifford, who got off because Clinton, literally, "gave him a walk" [pardoned him].
DONAHUE: But the excuse was, "He's an old man."
NICHOLS: Well I hope when I get to be his age I can run around and break every law in the book and not pay for it. Because I'll leave my family with a lot of money when I die!
DONAHUE: There ya go.
(to be continued)
---------------------------<< Notes >>--------------------------- {1} "In a grand jury... you're never supposed to reveal what's going on." Unless the case involves Commerce Secretary Ron Brown, that is. From "Conspiracy for the Day," November 17, 1993:
But evidence suggests someone, perhaps at the Justice Department, is leaking details of the Grand Jury investigation. That is a violation of federal law. In its October 11th issue, a source close to Brown detailed for Time magazine some of the testimony taken by the Federal Grand Jury. And officials at the White House reportedly told Time in a later issue that the Grand Jury investigation "is virtually complete and they are confident Brown will be pleased with the results."
BURTON [Congressman Dan Burton of Indiana]: I don't know how the White House, or Mr. Brown or anybody else would know what is going on in any Grand Jury room. And I don't understand why Mr. Ly is not being called. He should be called. The Grand Jury should get all of the information possible so they can make an informed decision on whether or not to indict Mr. Brown.
I encourage distribution of "Conspiracy Nation."