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Subject: Chuck Hayes Versus Bill Clinton
Chuck Hayes Versus Bill Clinton
by J. Orlin Grabbe
I had been out of state and only checked my
answering machine from time to time. When I got back to
Reno, I hit the button. There was a message from
Sherman Skolnick. Robert Strauss, a well-known
Democrat and head of a large law firm, had called him
three times. Strauss was threatening to have Sherman
arrested the next day, Monday.
"Has Strauss called you?" Sherman wanted to
know, when I returned the call. "No," I said. "He hasn't
threatened you?" Sherman asked. "No, but if he did, I
would tell him to go fuck himself," I replied.
Sherman had reported that Robert Strauss had lead
a delegation to the White House asking Bill Clinton to
resign. I had also reported the same meeting, albeit in
deliberately abbreviated form. I rarely paid any attention
to Skolnick, because most of his reporting was such a
mixture of truth and error, it would take more effort to
separate the two than to simply conduct ones own
investigation of the facts. But his account of the Strauss
meeting was quite accurate.
"Strauss was there, right?" Sherman seemed
unsure of his sources. "Or maybe there by
teleconference?"
"He was there, Sherman. He broke the ashtray just
like you said," I replied. I didn't tell Sherman the rest of
the exchange, the part he didn't know. Clinton had told
Strauss he could call the guards and have Strauss thrown
out of the White House. Strauss lost his temper: "You
do, and I'll break your fucking neck before they get here,"
he told Clinton. Two other people at the meeting stood
up: "And we'll help him," they said. (There were all sorts
of false reports about the meeting. John Glenn was there,
but only electronically. Ted Kennedy was not present.)
I told Sherman that Strauss was just blowing
smoke, and even though Strauss was a hot-head, I doubted
Strauss would do anything. Strauss had no legal basis for
doing so: Sherman's report was accurate. And I had no
reason to get involved: Strauss was doing the right thing
with respect to Bill Clinton, even if he was angry
Skolnick had reported the meeting. Strauss was not the
villain in the story. Bill Clinton was.
On Monday, August 5, shortly after the Strauss
visit, Chuck Hayes had a meeting with Bill Clinton.
Clinton had requested the meeting to discuss the issues
Strauss had raised. Clinton and Hayes had known each
other for years: Chuck Hayes had been Bill Clinton's CIA
controller, after Clinton was recruited into the CIA by
Cord Meyer of the London CIA station. Hayes had
supervised Clinton's forays into the Soviet Union, and it
was Hayes who had gotten Clinton out of not-so-
infrequent trouble while Clinton served the agency.
"Before I ever cross you, " Clinton once told
Hayes after having had his ass redeemed, "I hope I will
put a gun to my head and pull the trigger first."
I talked to Hayes about the Clinton meeting while
Hayes was still at the White House. He had explained to
Clinton some of the evidence that had been accumulated,
reinforcing what Strauss had said, and detailing numerous
other projected unpleasant consequences that would
accompany any decision to not resign.
The timing of this meeting was early in the game,
in what is now a full-scale war over Clinton's resignation.
Jim Guy Tucker was singing, specifically about Mena,
even while Tucker's lawyer was denying that Tucker was
cooperating out of fear that Tucker would be an
assassination target. Hayes, in a more practical mode, had
assigned two bodyguards to watch over Tucker.
In escalating the pressure on Clinton to resign, it
wasn't that Hayes disliked Bill Clinton as a person. It was
just that Hayes loved his country more, and wasn't going
to tolerate Clinton's participation in the transformation of
the U.S. into a narco-republic. It was Hayes who first
alerted me to Clinton's serious cocaine habit. In the mid-
80s, in Hayes' assessment, sure, Clinton would use coke at
parties, but it wasn't a daily problem. But now, Hayes
said, the coke was in control. And what Hayes claimed to
me about the seriousness of Clinton's cocaine habit, was
confirmed both by a White House source and by
personnel at Bethesda Naval Hospital. Clinton was doing
"five plus" lines of coke a day. That simply meant that
five lines was the *minimum* usage.
And it was Hayes and an associated group of
computer hackers calling themselves the "Fifth Column"
that was providing much of the financial and banking
evidence that Kenneth Starr needed to nail Bill Clinton to
the wall. This included downloading the entire White
House "Big Brother" data base (WHODB), complete with
its 2045 FBI files. (The Lippo computer was also
connected to the Big Brother system. Does this imply the
Lippo computer was also downloaded? I would advise
Mr. James Riady to choose sides carefully.)
Then Dick Morris resigned and began cooperating
with the Special Prosecutor. Clinton was panicked. Dick
Morris knew more about Clinton's illegal financial affairs
than anyone since Vince Foster (who had conveniently
died). Clinton wanted to meet again with Hayes to
discuss things. They agreed to a time and place. But then
Clinton cancelled at the last minute, and sent a jet to pick
up Hayes to take him to the new rendevous location.
Hayes refused to board the plane.
They finally met at an airstrip in Kentucky.
Clinton had an entourage that included Leon Panetta and
George Stephanopolous. Other witnesses to this meeting
include the Air Force Major who tried to intercept Hayes
as he approached the Presidential jet, and the member of
the Kentucky State Police who acted as Hayes'
bodyguard. Hayes and Clinton had a private conversation
in a motel room near the airfield. Hayes began by
presenting Clinton with a copy of one of my Internet posts
and an article from Barron's ("Federal agency attacked as
dispenser of corporate welfare," by Jim McTague,
September 16, 1996). The latter article gave context to a
lot of computer-generated information.
"Clinton's face turned whiter the more he read,"
according to Hayes. Their actual conversation is
confidential. But one incident that happened afterwards is
not.
A FEMA group showed up to talk to Hayes.
Clinton recognized them. "Did you tell them you were
going to be here?" Clinton asked.
"No," Hayes replied.
"Do you talk to them?"
"Daily."
"How serious are they?" Clinton wanted to know.
"Deadly."
Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton had got it into her
head that the Clinton's problems could be made to
disappear. First of all, Dick Morris--like Vince Foster--
knew too much. She had conversations with an obscure
group at the National Security Agency known as I3. She
discussed details of a plan to murder Dick Morris. They
also planned, provided the Dick Morris hit was
successful, the assassination of Chuck Hayes. But word
got out about the I3 plans. The men were arrested and
interrogated.
Hillary's next action (see "The Dickheads Are
Getting Desperate") was to send sixteen FBI and Secret
Service personnel down to Kentucky to make inquiries
whether there was "some way to get to that son-of-a-
bitch," meaning Chuck Hayes.
And, ultimately, they found the ammunition they
needed: 1) a local U.S. attorney who was representing the
Justice Department in its attempt to quash all evidence
with respect to the theft of the PROMIS software; 2)
Hayes' ex-wife and one of his sons, who were involved
with Hayes in an inheritance dispute; and 3) a lying FBI,
eager to deflect attention from Fifth Column evidence of
FBI involvement in drug-dealing.
(To Be Continued)
October 30, 1996
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