DENVER AIRPORT SCAM

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On or about October 6, 1994, Tom Valentine's guest on Radio Free America (shortwave, 5.065 MHz, 9 pm cst, mon-fri) was a man named Stew Webb. Mr. Webb has been looking into circumstances surrounding the construction of the Denver International Airport.

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TOM VALENTINE:
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All right. Now. We've all been reading, off and on, about the great Denver Airport. First time I ever heard that there was anything special about the new Denver Airport is when the fellow that's just called in on the phone... and I decided, well, we'll just keep him on and talk to him about it. He'll be my guest. His name is Stew Webb. He's been a guest before.

And the first time I ever heard anything about the Denver Airport being other than some big new airport that you read about in the papers is when Stew was telling me about what a scandal it was, what a rip-off, what an absolute political "fat cats' pie" this thing had turned out to be. And of course it's still not working: the new international airport in Denver.

Now it is a story that is worth looking at for all Americans, because Denver is kind of a microcosm of what can go on everywhere and the kind of corruption we have in very high places.

So with no more ado, I want to bring back a guy who, because of his personal family situation, ended up becoming an investigator -- an unofficial, but very skilled investigator.

And Stew, welcome back to Radio Free America.

STEW WEBB:
Well thank you for having me, Tom.

VALENTINE: Now listen: I understand that this Denver Airport has been close to you for a long, long time, anyway.
WEBB: Well the whole thing ties in with Silverado Savings, Neil Bush, George Bush... and Leonard Melman(sp?) and Larry Meisel(sp?) and Phil Wynn(sp?) and...
VALENTINE: People that, you have been... the money people of Denver. And you have been talking about them before. What is it about the Denver Airport that makes it so special?
WEBB: Well, the fact that the same guys that have ripped the country off in the S&L scandal -- the savings and loan, and bank scandal -- they were the ones that owned Silverado and Imperial Savings of California and were involved in robbing Centrust and all the other S&Ls across the country for nearly a trillion dollars. And they were the same ones that robbed HUD [Department of Housing and Urban Development] for about $50 billion, that there was only one conviction on: Phil Wynn, an MDC director. (He agreed to pay a $1 million fine to keep 49 billion, 999 million.) And they were the same ones that were involved with George Bush in Iran- Contra. They laundered the money. And it ties in with the Clintons and the drug connection: with Bill being a drug dealer, allowing drugs to come through his state; and Hillary being a money launderer and part of the money going back through Silverado and...
VALENTINE: So you're saying that everybody up in these high places is tainted by this thing.
WEBB: This whole thing is all the same, the same players.
VALENTINE: There's an ad. And I guess you're responsible for this ad in this weekly paper out of the Denver area that's got a lot of interesting questions to ask, right on the ad. It's like,

"Why did the go-go bankers and developers own all the land at the Denver International Airport?"

Why did they?

WEBB: That was the Silverado crowd. That's a local paper, a Spanish paper, that's printing... the El Reportero paper in Denver that's going to start printing all the stories. They've already begun the series. They've done two stories already, doin' a recap of the airport...
VALENTINE: Oh that's right, that's what this is. And it's got it...

But I think these are good questions to ask!

WEBB: They are. Excellent. And what it amounts to is on the Denver Airport, the people -- MDC Holdings of Denver, it's a known CIA agency asset company, used to launder money through. And they have been the instrumental company in robbing the country, the United States of America, for nearly $1.7 trillion. They laundered nearly $3 trillion worth of drug/gun money through Silverado Savings. They, this particular company and the individuals involved -- primarily Phil Wynn, former FHA [Federal Housing Administration] commissioner from '81 to '82, and former ambassador to Switzerland from '88 to '89; Larry Meisel, chairman of the MDC Holdings of Denver which... MDC's the parent company for many companies, like Beneficial Finance, Richmond Homes, Ponderosa Homes, General Homes... many other companies.
VALENTINE: All right. Now we're gonna have to get into some specifics. Because it's easy to go out and say, "These guys ripped off billions." But we're gonna, we want to get some specifics and add some credibility to all this weight.

My guest is Stew Webb; he's been a guest before. And the subject is, the Denver International Airport. I'm Tom Valentine, this is Radio Free America.

[...commercial break...]

All right, we are back, live. And the subject right now is the Denver International Airport. It's a huge scandal, it's a big... of cost over-runs.

How many, much, over is it costing so far?

WEBB: Well originally, when they came out with the airport, the figures on it, they were saying it was gonna be a $1.5 billion airport. It's already up over $16 billion. Every day, it grows by 200 million in interest.
VALENTINE: That, that's crazy!! No airport is worth that in any city!
WEBB: No, it is not. But the whole thing's a shamble, it's a fraud, it's fallin' apart. Its runways are crackin'; they're gonna have to tear 'em out...
VALENTINE: All right. Let's go... All right. Take a nice deep breath, Stew. You talk real fast. And you know this stuff very well; you've been embroiled in it for years. It's very personal to you. But the people out there listening right now, many of them have never heard this, any of this. They haven't read the book by, oh... the Houston reporter, down there, about the...
WEBB: Peter Brewton?
VALENTINE: Yeah.
WEBB: It's called, The Mafia, [the] CIA, and George Bush {1}, and also Rodney Stich's(sp?) book, Defrauding America.
VALENTINE: Right. But a lot of people haven't read those, yet, and so we gotta make sure they all understand.

Let's go right to... A guy by the name of Paul Swamm(sp?) is a city councilman. Is he still on the city council?

WEBB: No, he isn't now. But at the time (this was back in 1982), he proposed the great idea to come up with a new Denver airport. Rather than fixing Stapleton Airport by adding two new runways and a couple new terminals, and it would be an adequate airport. And it had plenty of room for expansion; there's enough ground there.

He came up with the ingenious idea [that] they gotta have a new one! Well, he was part of "the boys". And all of MDC Holdings -- the ones that owned Silverado -- are the ones that owned all the land where the new airport is! Underneath all kinds of names: Dartmouth(?) Company, MDC, Charles Keating had ('cause Keating was connected to 'em, they had land of his out there), Bill Walters and Ken Goods(?) that were fronts for MDC officials and so forth. They owned all the land. They had total control of it, all the land that was purchased by the city to build, as well as all the surrounding land -- all the commercial and the residential land around it.

VALENTINE: All right, the classic motion picture thing; we see it every time we watch a good, old-fashioned western -- the railroad guys come in, they're gonna steal the whole town blind, and everybody that's watchin' the movie can see it. In fact, even the guy... Everybody knows what's going on, but nobody does anything about it.
WEBB: Well, the problem in this case was, you know, all the judicial cover-up and the blockage! And we'll get into that in a minute. But they owned all the land, and Paul Swamm was airport counsel. And ironically, I found in 1989 that he owned 8500 shares of MDC stock! So I think that was his bribe and payoff for his pushing of the new airport.

Now there was another bribe that was paid...

VALENTINE: What's a share of MDC stock sell for? Back then.
WEBB: Um, I think they're up around 5-something now. But at one point, you know, they were at 22 dollars a share. And [they] dropped seven-eighths of a cent [per] share, [an] overnight 22 dollar drop, when they were doing all the massive scams with Michael Miliken(sp?).

But anyway, Paul Swamm owns 8500 shares, so he initiated the idea (and it's a big fraud). And Mayor Pena got a $2.5 -- that's the new secretary of transportation underneath Mr. Clinton, his name is Frederico Pena -- took a $2.5 million bribe from Phillip Wynn, MDC director. And I have the guy that was standin' in the office when Phil Wynn threw a suitcase with $2.5 million in cash down on Frederico, then-mayor of Denver's...

VALENTINE: All right now. Everybody needs to understand: he's talking about Frederico Pena. And this guy, Pena, was the mayor of Denver. And he's the secretary of what, now?
WEBB: Secretary of transportation, underneath Clinton. They've [unclear] double slots...
VALENTINE: Well he's earned that! I mean, he's built a $16 billion airport! He oughtta know a lot about transportation!
WEBB: Oh, yeah, all about... He's nothin' but a clown. Pena's got some real interesting background in his, uh for a transportation secretary. You remember Daniel Ortega? The name?
VALENTINE: Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's the Nicaraguan leader of the communists down there.
WEBB: You got it, the communist leader. Well Mayor Pena, back in the late '70s, along with the current HUD secretary, name Cisneros, Henry Cisneros?
VALENTINE: Cisneros, yes.
WEBB: Yes. They were representing Mr. Daniel Ortega in a law firm they had set up down there in a communist country. Very interesting.
VALENTINE: O.K. They belong in Mr. Clinton's cabinet, and that's where they are.

O.K. So Frederico Pena... You say he took a bribe. They got it down to [a] $2.5 million bribe. Has he been charged with that? Or...

WEBB: I've got a guy that was standing in his office that wants to testify before a federal grand jury! And I've made the request before a grand jury last year. And a judge, who's part of the judicial blockage, Zito Weinshenk(sp?), who has direct connections with Leonard Melman, one of the MDC players, is the one who dismissed it, saying I don't have the right to appear before a grand jury and present all my evidence...
VALENTINE: You don't have the right. You, Stew Webb, do not have enough standing to go in and say, "Look. This guy took this bribe, and I've got a man that'll say so." And because you have no standing, then they're gonna ignore this allegation.
WEBB: Well, it's because of all the judicial blockage they've had.

Here's part of the problem with the airport, too: besides the fact that they owned all the land, they created three political action committees [a.k.a., PACs]. And these three PACs, one of them Bill Walters(?), the Silverado fellow that ran off with $100 million, who was a front for MDC. And Ann Love(sp?), the former governor of Colorado, who's a partner with 'em [unclear], and Larry Meisel, chairman of MDC Holdings, all created a PAC, the political action committee. It was called, "Colorado Concern -- Vote 'yes' for Denver's future and Denver 2000". And they pumped money through -- "the boys" did, the connected boys, the go-go bankers and developers -- pumped all the money into the three political action committees, underneath all their dummy company names, to intentionally hide their own identity. And they raised several million dollars where they could put ads on the TV and in the papers and everything, to get the people of Colorado to vote for a new Denver airport. And also to perpetuate their fraud upon the fed, you know, and so forth. Even the Federal Aviation Administration said, "No new airport was needed," etc. But yet they got it through. And of course, they had Neil Bush, George Bush, uh "Poppy" Bush, the drug dealer's son, the other drug dealer, Neil, workin' for 'em. {2}. And so they were well- protected!

And they also had another part of this: they had the judicial blockage. They had U.S. attorney, United States attorney, Michael J. Norton, who Larry Meisel, chairman of MDC, was his campaign manager back in 1986 when he ran, unsuccessfully, for the U.S. Congress...

VALENTINE: All right, hold on there. Michael Norton is who we're gonna come back to.

And why are these guys dealin' drugs? They're makin' so much money with savings and loan scams and so forth.

WEBB: Well...
VALENTINE: Hold... Hang on! I gotta take a break. I gotta take a break. My guest is Stew Webb. He get's very excited about this. But he is very sincere, very serious.

I'm Tom Valentine. This is Radio Free America.

[...commercial break...]

All right, we are back live and "Miss Lilly" {3} oughtta really be lovin' this 'cause we're not pickin' on Bill Clinton, really. We're pickin' more on George Bush at this time. But actually, it's both of 'em. And my guest is Stew Webb.

And Stew, I kinda feel like your coach because, you know, you came on this show many... How long [ago] was it? Three, four years ago now?

WEBB: Well, I've been on your show probably 15 or 20 times.
VALENTINE: Well, but the first time, though.
WEBB: Uh, it was... I remember the date: it was September the 19th of 1991.
VALENTINE: All right.
WEBB: They issued a warrant for my arrest, to try to silence me.
VALENTINE: That's right. Well anyway, I was coaching you then, I want to coach you a little now.

You don't need to say that George Bush is a drug dealer, or Bill Clinton is a drug dealer. You may believe that and everything else. But we have... It, the "hard sell" is going to turn off more listeners and possible people to understand exactly where you're coming from than the "soft sell" will. The President of the United States has possibly been involved in some of these things. And the former President of the United States was evidently up to it, up to his ears. And so was his son, who was already part of the famous Silverado Savings and Loan scandal.

But now, we're getting around, you're talking about a guy named Mike Norton, Michael J. Norton, and he was the U.S. attorney in Denver. That's a very powerful position. That's a position that's appointed by the President of the United States and so on.

WEBB: Yes. And Michael Norton covered up everything about, pertaining to Denver: the Denver International Airport, the S&L, the HUD, junk bonds with Miliken, the money laundering, and everything. He was put in there by George Bush to cover things up.

Now there's a lot more ties here. They also had a federal judge by the name of Sherman Feinsilver(sp?) who was also covering things up. And his son was a major drug dealer that was disbarred, he was an attorney that was disbarred, for drug dealing in Colorado. And he had direct ties to Larry Meisel and through their drug flow that was comin' through Colorado.

Now this is where an interesting factor ties in with Bill Clinton and [Vince] Foster's death. This ties in with the contractor at the Denver airport. A contractor by the name of Hencil- Phelps(sp?) Construction Company. It's a nationwide... Actually, [it] does work worldwide. They built Saddam Hussein's underground nuclear bunker. They are also building the Denver airport -- one of the major contractors on it that's committing massive fraud. And the fraud that I'm relating to is the fact that I have 4 former inspectors that were on the federal grand jury. And we don't see any grand jury yet; we're screamin' and yellin' for it. {4}.

VALENTINE: You're talking now about the building inspectors out at the airport.
WEBB: No, I'm talking about the... Yeah. They were inspectors. Now let me explain to you.

O.K. MDC people have Hencil-Phelps Construction Company. They built the Denver airport. They also have -- Leonard Melman, one of the MDC boys -- also has a company called Construction Management Technical Services, CMTS. He has a black man who is a front for minority work, named King Harris. King Harris has the contract at the Denver airport to do the inspections of the construction for the city.

Now King Harris is directly tied to Wellington Webb (no relation to me), a black mayor in Denver, Colorado, who is up to his eyeballs in corruption with him. These guys are building it, and they are inspecting it. They also own the land, they created the PACs to perpetuate the fraud and push for the new airport, and they also have a lot of the concessions and parking and so forth, contracts, through all these other fronts that they've got.

VALENTINE: All right... ask a question then: why, if they've got all this in a package, did they have to tear out one-eighth of the runways after one year?
WEBB: Because the bentonite(sp?) they built it on! You know, it's amazing how sometimes God intervenes into certain things and says, "Enough is enough."
VALENTINE: Hm-hmm [affirmative].
WEBB: Well it comes back to the soil. And it's ironic [that] it would come back to the earth, that will maybe shake the foundations that will bring these people to justice and put 'em where they belong -- behind bars.

But the bentonite soil, that it is built on, it does massive expansion and contraction. And they didn't compact this thing properly. And as a result, the runways were poured in 1992; in 1993 they had to tear out one-eighth of the runways.

Now here's where cover-up comes in: The Rocky Mountain News, Kevin Flynn(sp?), a reporter for them, reports that there was... including he went on TV. Not only wrote in the paper, but said in, exactly, July of '93, that there wasn't any problem with the runways; that he personally inspected...

VALENTINE: All right, hold on. We're gonna have to come back to that. My guest is Stew Webb. And Stew, we will come back to the Rocky Mountain News and the cover-up. Remember that for me, will you please?

We have a break coming. If you'd like to join us, if you've got questions or comments for Stew, join me: 1-800-878-8255. I'm Tom Valentine, this is Radio Free America.

[...commercial break...]

All right. We are back, live. If you'd like to join us, it's 1- 800-878-8255. We're talking today about the huge scandal that is the Denver International Airport -- $16 billion, and going up. And my guest is Stew Webb, who's been digging into the facts surrounding this case for years now. And he knows of which he speaks.

And you say that the Rocky Mountain News has taken part in the cover-up! That's a newspaper. I used to know that newspaper well, 'cause they had a guy by the name of Dan Valentine as a columnist!

WEBB: Well these people are definitely coverin' things up -- they're not even pickin' up on the Associated Press articles that Steve Paulson's been doin' for me -- and so is the Denver Post, through Dean Singleton... Peter Brewton, when he wrote his book The Mafia, the CIA, and George Bush, that covered part of the S&L scandal and showed all the MDC Holdings ties, even wrote on page 375 of his book, talkin' about how Dean Singleton was a personal friend of Larry Meisel and that Singleton made comments that he was gettin' him in trouble! For doin' any stories on the S&Ls.

And there's a direct connection that Margie Sloan found, several years ago, with the Rocky Mountain News, with John Dix. And John Dix is one of the owners of Hencil-Phelps, the contractor at the airport. And he was the major money launderer, sittin' at the Isle of Jersey, movin' the money... Blinder Robinson(?) and the other companies...

VALENTINE: That's right! I remember years ago when you talked about this with us that you mentioned that these guys, especially your friends Melman and that bunch, had used the Isle of Jersey in the English channel for their money laundering things. And of course, Jersey has the highest standard of living in the world, Jersey and Guernsey, because they have their own sovereignty form of money. It's really interesting. They must have some very secret banking stuff that goes on in that island.
WEBB: Well they have. And, matter of fact, they've got warrants for the arrest of John Dix for income tax evasion over there, which is kind of ironic now.

That's how they move the money -- all the money, the 1.7 [trillion dollars] that was stolen from the American people during the '80s. And Bush allowed it to happen. And ironically, 99 percent of it went through the Denver crowd! That's what their game has been!

VALENTINE: You said "1.7", you mean 1.7 trillion?
WEBB: $1.7 trillion. I have a deep undercover CIA source, I call "Red Dog". Red Dog obtained $700 billion of U.S. taxpayers' money; provided me copies of the bank accounts. And it's sitting in two Swiss banks: in Zurich and also in Basel -- Swiss BankCorp and VolksBank of Basel.

And ironically, $100 billion of that tied directly to 145 former and current congressmen and senators, that were their payoffs to cover things up.

These guys have got a direct hold. It's the Mafia, [that's] got a direct hold over the United States government. Now...

VALENTINE: Let's get this clear. I know that Pete Brewton used "the Mafia", and everybody uses that term, "Mafia". And I think that the "Mafia" is really the Italian mob, and this is much, much bigger than "Mafia". This is like "Murder, Inc." This is over all ethnic lines, crime syndicates. It's not just Mafia.
WEBB: That is correct. I mean, the men in Denver, Colorado, are primarily Jewish. But they are the money launderers for the Gambinos, the Castellanos, the Marcellos, the Gottis -- they launder the money. Leonard Melman and his National Acceptance Company and Larry Meisel and MDC Holdings: they're all partners in this money laundering operation that goes on in Denver, Colorado! And they've kept money laundering laws off the books in the state of Colorado until 1992! And some legislators finally pushed so hard for it, to enact it. But they were able to have that much control. And they have been the key money launderers since the late '60s. And it ties Melman and John King and many other names...
VALENTINE: Well if I can recall, in the '60s, and even in the '70s, the greatest money launderer of all was Meyer Lansky.
WEBB: Meyer Lansky has direct ties with these people and ties in with 'em. They're... I mean, go down to... If you want to get the Meyer Lansky connection into these people and into Arizona, ask yourself the question: Why is it in the same residential area that Lansky was, and the Wrigley family? You've got Melman, you've got the Inslaw software Dr. Earl Brian, you've got Ronald Reagan, you've got Dino DiConcini (Dennis', the head of armed services [committee], brother), you've got General John Singlaub, who was running the drug operation in Arkansas for Bill Clinton. And there's several other players down there. I've forgot all the names of the people. But I mean, they're all interconnected...
VALENTINE: When you say, "down there", what are you talkin' about?
WEBB: Pardon me?
VALENTINE: Whereabouts are you talking about, "down there"?
WEBB: It's in Arizona. It's on Camelback Mountain.
VALENTINE: Oh! Like Scottsdale, and down in that way.
WEBB: It is down there. It's the most expensive real estate in Arizona. They've all got second homes down there.

And Carl Lender(sp?), who started Charles Keating's, down there, and the whole bit.

But here's, to give you a summary -- and I think it's important that we get this out, Tom. A summary of what they've done on the airport is basically this: They owned the land, then they perpetuated the fraud that shoved the appraisals of the land up five times, in a year, of what the actual value was. Then they turn around and create three political action committees to pump it down the American people's throat that they need a new airport: "It's gonna create 100,000 new jobs to Denver," and it didn't. Then they buy off government officials. And of course, they put the U.S. attorney in place and they had two federal judges bribed, paid off, and the whole bit. And I've got the guy that was launderin' their bribes! They laundered it through M&L Business Machines Company, that they tried to make it look like (the U.S. attorney did) as though it was a "check kiting scandal" when in fact it was money laundering!

VALENTINE: All right. We gotta take another break, so hang in there! Hold in there. The U.S. attorney ruled that it was "check kiting" when it was actually money laundering. We'll get back to that. My guest is Stew Webb. The subject matter: the Denver airport scam. I'm Tom Valentine, this is Radio Free America.

[...commercial break...]

All right, we are back. And we are talking about scandal and, I'm serious, about big, high scandal.

I want you to go ahead and finish where you were, and then I have another question for ya...

WEBB: Well basically, Mike Norton, the U.S. attorney who's no longer in office; Janet Reno fired all 92 of 'em across the nation. But he was, the cover-up part is in this whole thing. And that's the reason these men have never been prosecuted, because, you know, they had him directly in their pocket. He owns apartments with 'em. He took a bribe, and he laundered a $2.5 million bribe himself through M&L Business Machines Company. And the federal judge laundered money through there, [the judge] that was protecting Blinder Robinson, the company that was movin' the money overseas to John Dix's house. The whole bit. I mean, M&L is one of the key, instrumental companies, that was like Blinder Robinson, that was movin' money.

But the problem is, the guy got greedy and decided to rip the bad guys off for $150 million. And when he did, he threw it into bankruptcy court, thinkin' that, "Well. I throw it in there and all the records will be available and then they'll see it was money laundering and I'll be out of the country and everybody'll be in trouble and they'll be worryin' about protectin' their own little rear ends. And I won't have to worry about this thing. I'll be overseas, enjoyin' it."

Well, that didn't quite happen. Instead, Robert Joseph got "popped" [i.e., murdered] faster than what he thought was gonna happen.

But there were some interesting cover-ups in the M&L case. One of the things was, one of the vice-presidents who used to work for Leonard Melman's Flatiron Construction Company, by the name of Patrick Gibbons(sp?), now, or was then, an M&L officer. When the FBI, the "Federal Bureau of Idiots", in Denver, Colorado arrested him, he had 27 weapons -- 22 [with] no serial numbers, 7 fully automatic, 5 silencers, 20 kilos of cocaine, 200 pounds of marijuana, 160 vials of human growth steroids, 140 vials of animal growth steroids, 200 vials of anabolic steroids. He had 7 gym bags, each containing a crow bar, ski mask, and flashlight (which sounds like burglars' tools). He also had literature on laundering money to the Isle of Jersey...

VALENTINE: What'd this guy do for a living!?
WEBB: ...income tax. He also had passports for sale, citizenship certificates for sale. And he even had letters from Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation bank examiners saying which banks would fail in the next 6 months! And do you know that Mike Norton never prosecuted him for that!? And two federal judges, magistrates, during his bond hearing asked the assistant U.S. attorney, Mike Barrett(sp?), he says, "Mr. Barrett. How come Mr. Gibbons is not being charged? And how come you're only asking for $100,000 signature bond!?" And he says, "In camera, judge. In camera." [CN -- Latin for "in chambers"(?)] In other words, "Let's go in and take care of you and bribe you, judge, and let's cover the thing up."

They let this guy out on $100,000 signature bond, and he had all those items on him when he was arrested, in his home.

VALENTINE: Just like General Noriega, see? They let guys like that go.

That's really interesting! Where is he now?

WEBB: Patrick Gibbons is sittin' in jail for, I think it was a year- and-a-half stint, for his fraud involving M&L Business Machines where they ripped off some legitimate investors for about $6 million...
VALENTINE: Well that was a year-and-a-half. Is he still in there?
WEBB: Yeah, a year-and-a-half. Now listen to the amount of... A man who's busted for cocaine, if they had one kilo on him today, they would get an automatic 10 years in jail on the minimum, mandatory sentence guidelines that George Bush created back in 1988. How come Mr. Patrick Gibbons has never even been charged for that? Another question will be, why did Janet Day(sp?) of the Denver Post cover it up when she was in the bond hearing, and the judge brought it out, part of the information about this!? And how come she never reported on it? Because of the cover-up of the news media in Denver, Colorado!

The whole thing stinks, Tom. And...

VALENTINE: [laughs] It sure does.
WEBB: ...dealt with.
VALENTINE: I... You know, the guy's got silencers [laughs], cocaine. And what'd they charge him with? Bad checks?
WEBB: They charged him for "check kiting"; gave him a year-and-a-half when he had 200 pounds of marijuana and 20 kilos of cocaine and letters from FDIC bank examiners saying, "Go steal some more money before the bank collapses!" Come on.
VALENTINE: Only in America.
WEBB: Only in America!
VALENTINE: All right, you said somethin' earlier that's gonna intrigue listeners. And they love scandal and I'm curious 'cause I've not paid that much attention to it. How does MDC tie in with Vince Foster of Little Rock? 'Cause MDC is a Denver company.
WEBB: I've been waitin' for you to ask me that, Tom.
VALENTINE: I knew it.
WEBB: Hencil-Phelps Construction Company is building the Denver airport. They're the ones committin' the fraud. They have committed... The control tower's fallin' over right now, and they're pumpin' concrete underneath it. The main terminal, C, is going to have a second floor collapse as a result of fraud they committed. I've got 4 former inspectors...

Now here's the deal: Larry Meisel puts up a credit line for $40 million for Hencil-Phelps, United Bank, almost 2 years ago. Sherman Wynn, an Israeli Mossad agent who's the brother of Phillip Wynn, MDC director -- him, Maurice Harvey, and John Dix, the money launderer at the Isle of Jersey, purchased Hencil- Phelps Construction Company.

Now. The last time that Vince Foster was...

VALENTINE: Now wait a minute! A Mossad agent purchased the company that made, made Saddam Hussein's underground bunker!? [laughs] Uh, O.K.
WEBB: O.K. Now. Here's the key: Vince Foster was scared. He knew that if he was subpoenaed over the Whitewater affair -- because what it was (and I gotta tie in Whitewater real fast to this). Whitewater was a legitimate business development, 'til 1983. George Bush didn't want to dip in his pocket and give the Clintons money from his cut of the drugs that were comin' through Arkansas. Because that's what it is, it's government officials getting their cut of the pie of drug money.
VALENTINE: This is why George Bush and Bill Clinton never picked on each other in the campaigns in any meaningful fashion.
WEBB: They even cut deals. And it's too long to get into all that detail because we don't have time. But one of the things was, is Whitewater, the Clintons were allowed to steal money, from three savings and loans: one was Madison, one was Twin Peaks, and one was Beach Federal -- all in Arkansas. To get loans, to do development at Whitewater and build houses at Whitewater, which they never did do! And they got between $50 and $60 million out of each S&L!

And George Bush told Federal Deposit Insurance, or Federal Deposit bank examiners, to turn their head and allow it to happen. And that's the reason they've destroyed, the Clintons have, the Foster files and so forth.

Well Foster was going to tell the truth if he was subpoenaed -- because he was part of the Rose Law Firm and they were laundering money from the big drug/gun operation and the whole bit, through Jackson Stephens. And it had ties to Silverado and it had ties to BCCI and BNL Bank in Atlanta and the whole bit!

O.K.

VALENTINE: What of any of this is really ever gonna come out? You know, there's a lot of talk right now, that all of this is going to actually come out. And it won't be just on Radio Free America and other places that this is heard, but it'll be coming out and everybody will see that it's true.
WEBB: It's gonna come out in Terry Reed's lawsuit and...
VALENTINE: I hope so. By the way, we'll be back. I gotta take my last break. My guest is Stew Webb, the subject -- Denver airport and other things. 1-800-878-8255. I'm Tom Valentine. This is Radio Free America.

[...commercial break...]

All right, we are back. And my guest is Stew Webb.

And you just, you just put a lot of, lot of cash out there on this Vince Foster thing.

We have Dave, in Cohutta(sp?), Georgia coming aboard. Dave, you're on, with Stew Webb.

DAVE: Right! I'm an investigator with the bankruptcy in Atlanta. And we are running up against basically the same thing that you're talking about, but with different players. We've got a man by the name of Jim Fayle(sp?). He's...
WEBB: ...familiar with him. Yeah, he's got some big connections down in Arizona, and also down in Colorado Springs, to these MDC people.
DAVE: Right. Along with Blue Bonnet Savings and Loan?
WEBB: Yep. That's him.
DAVE: How is it that we can all tie together these people?
WEBB: There's quite a few that's been tyin' together. Give me a call at 303-634-4233. Lend me your name and number and I'll get back with ya.
DAVE: Say the number again?
WEBB: 303-634-4233.
DAVE: All right. I appreciate it, Stew!
VALENTINE: Dave?
DAVE: Yeah.
VALENTINE: I might like to talk with you too, about some of the things you're doin'. If you would leave your number for me, with my producer, I would appreciate it.
DAVE: O.K.
VALENTINE: All right. Thank you very much.
WEBB: Tom, if I may inject somethin' real quick, there's a tie to Vince Foster's death directly to MDC and Hencil-Phelps Construction. James M. Lyons(sp?), MDC director, who's the assistant to Bill Clinton inside the White House, who was on the transition team that appointed Mayor Pena and Ron Brown and Secretary Bentsen, and all the other slimeballs they got in there now. They're a bunch of criminals that have been involved in rippin' the country off over the past 10 years, with Bush and the gang. James M. Lyons made 6 phone calls to Vince Foster the two weeks prior to his death (and we've confirmed it with a White House aide), including the day that Foster left to go make a meeting with the source of James Lyons. He crawled into a van. That van, according to a witness (the last time he was seen), [was] registered to Hencil-Phelps Construction Company of Little Rock, Arkansas.

Now there's another interesting factor: Hencil-Phelps Construction is in Greeley, Colorado -- their headquarters. General Richard Secord has been bringing drugs into Greeley airport. (It's stoppin' now, because I've been publicly stating it for about 6 months to a year.)

VALENTINE: I remember that.
WEBB: He was bringin' in drugs to Hencil-Phelps warehouses. I have a CIA guy that was workin' the operation and unloading. And they were shippin' out AK-47s, [unclear] rockets, pineapple grenades, round grenades, and M-16s without serial numbers. So we've got this CIA company, called MDC Holdings of Denver, Colorado, that is totally out of control.

Now there's some other interesting factors. Gunter Russbacher -- and you remember who he is [CN -- Alleged "October Surprise" pilot]...

VALENTINE: Oh yeah.
WEBB: Well-named in Defrauding America, and you've had him on and the whole bit. Gunter had mentioned Executive Life Insurance as being a CIA company. Now I've tied... Executive Life owns 24 percent of MDC Holdings. Another 24 percent of the stock in MDC is owned by insiders -- Melman and Meisel and NSA attorney Norman Brownstein, and many other people. There's another tie here: Executive Life is the one that insured over $300 billion worth of receivables coming from Jeb Bush that went to Leonard Melman and his National Acceptance Company, that he made it look like he purchased them, when in reality he didn't.
VALENTINE: All right.
WEBB: ...reinsured him, and broke $300 billion with the insurance companies worldwide, that makes us, as insurance individuals, we have to buy insurance for autos and so forth?
VALENTINE: I understand. But listen, we've gotta, we've gotta stay in touch and do this again.

The situation is this, Stew. We're out of time, now. But I do... I've lost my train of thought, because of the darn music starting. But I want you to stay in touch with me. This is very interesting. By the way, your prime sources are in jail. That's where you picked 'em up, and that's interesting too.

I'll see you all after the news. Thanks a lot, Stew.

-------------------------<< Notes >>----------------------------- {1} This book gets mentioned a lot. I'm reasonably sure the exact title is The Mafia, the CIA, and George Bush. The author's name is Peter Brewton.

{2} Here, by "the other drug dealer", I don't think Webb means in the sense of Neil as drug dealer, but rather in the sense, "Bill Clinton and the other drug dealer, George Bush." Webb goes very fast, and is cautioned by Valentine to slow down later on.

{3} I think "Miss Lilly" is some old lady that keeps calling the show and complaining that they are picking on Clinton.

{4} I take this to mean that he has 4 knowledgeable witnesses from a former grand jury that are willing to testify before a future grand jury that Webb wants to be convened.

Brian Francis Redman bigxc@prairienet.org "The Big C"

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