("Quid coniuratio est?")
Troy Underhill on KSFO Radio
July 19, 1995
Troy Underhill, of Media Bypass magazine, was the guest on a radio show out of the San Francisco area recently. He discussed the explosive James R. Norman article, "Fostergate" (in the current issue of Media Bypass; phone 1-800-4BYPASS to order).
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JEFF METCALF [host]:
Yes, my name is Jeff Metcalf(sp?), in for Michael Savage on the
"Savage Nation" on a gorgeous bay area Wednesday afternoon.
And here it is: the August issue of Media Bypass magazine has an article written by James R. Norman, entitled "Fostergate". And to touch on some of the specific details of this compelling article (which I have read several times, highlighted, and kind of looked at and went "Wow") we have with us on the phone, from Media Bypass magazine, Troy Underhill.
Good afternoon, Troy.
TROY UNDERHILL:
Good afternoon, Jeff. It's a pleasure to be on your program
today.
JEFF METCALF:
Appreciate your... I know you've been runnin' around all week.
When I talked to ya last week, you wanted to come in Friday, I
wanted to do this on Monday, and you were travelling. So we got
you... We split the difference: you're here on Wednesday.
TROY UNDERHILL:
Great.
And how timely it is.
JEFF METCALF:
Well I've been saying... I've been listening intently to the
Whitewater hearings in the Senate. And I keep waiting to see
if... Because I promised you I wouldn't break this until today --
if anything would sneak up that would allude to what is in the
Norman article. And so far, it hasn't happened. The obvious
question (as we continue to bury the lead and drive our listeners
crazy) is, do you expect this is gonna be brought up in the
Whitewater hearings, this week or next?
TROY UNDERHILL:
Well I can tell you what has transpired since we decided to go
with the story about two weeks ago. It was all under lock and
key, as far as getting the information out. Someone on the
Internet, I believe a gentleman by the name of Sherman Skolnick,
leaked, on the Internet...
JEFF METCALF:
I saw. I tell ya: before we go any further, let me tell our
listeners two basic things: number one, a couple of weeks before
Vince Foster died, everybody acknowledged that he was in kind of
a depression. Well, they say that he was upset because of, you
know, Wall Street Journal articles and other kind of B.S. The
fact of the matter is, he had learned that he was under
investigation for espionage by the CIA!
TROY UNDERHILL:
That is, indeed, correct.
JEFF METCALF:
And you go: "Well wait a minute! That's crazy!" But what made him
think that?
Well his first indication that something "wasn't right in Dodge" was, he inquired into his coded bank account in a Swiss bank, and he found that the $2.73 million that he had stashed there had "gone away". It was zeroed out! It was empty! And the money had been transferred to -- where? Tell us, Troy.
TROY UNDERHILL:
The U.S. Treasury, sir. The U.S. Treasury.
JEFF METCALF:
Up jumped the Devil, Vince gets a little nervous. He cancels a
two day trip to Geneva (that's been acknowledged) and he starts
askin' around -- you know, "What's goin' on?! What's goin' on?!"
So that's the basis. And it gets a lot deeper than that. But what's happened since this was leaked, Troy?
TROY UNDERHILL:
Since this was leaked, our office has been receiving many phone
calls from legal counsel with the House and the Senate judiciary,
and the banking committees. We have referred those people... They
wanted to come to our office last week and review our documents.
Of course, as journalists, we had no intention of revealing our
documentation that we had nor where we actually got the
documentation -- unless we could do that in front of God and
every live television program, every live television camera in
the United States of America.
People that have supplied the information for this story are people that would go to prison for the rest of their known lives. Because they have violated what is called "The National Security Act".
In a nutshell, the National Security Act was set up by our federal government so they could blatantly lie to the American people and cover up any covert operations and, basically, get themselves "off the hook" by being able to lie in public and never have the information disseminated to the American people!
JEFF METCALF:
Now, wait a minute. This shouldn't have been any great, quick
flash to 'em. Back in April, [Jim] Norman sent a written request
to the White House...
TROY UNDERHILL:
That is correct.
JEFF METCALF:
...asking for, you know, clarification and so forth on, you know,
"this is the essence of the article". So... In fact, Mike McCurry
[White House press secretary] sent a snotty note back to him,
saying "Don't do anything until we can sit down and counsel you."
TROY UNDERHILL:
Sure he did. Sure he did.
The key here... There is some information that we, per our legal counsel's strict advice, cannot talk about. But the key here that has scared a lot of people that have revealed this information -- and I'm not talkin', Jeff, people's words. I'm talking actual documentation. Paper documentation. Computer documentation. Bank accounts of over a hundred current political figures that are running our government today, that have bank accounts overseas that someone (and I'm not going to say that Media Bypass has it in our possession, because they [documents] are not at this office, if we even know of them) uh... implicate many politicians that are running our government right now in having these illicit, illegal, fraudulent, illegally obtained foreign bank accounts. And if they want to, on national television, before (like I said) God and every live television camera in the United States... If they want to "put up or shut up", there will be people, under writ of immunity, [who will] disclose these bank account numbers in front of everyone.
JEFF METCALF:
What I found interesting is that Foster is just one of a whole
bunch of high-level U.S. political types who've had their Swiss
accounts emptied!
TROY UNDERHILL:
That is correct.
JEFF METCALF:
And this is kind of precious. Because you think of these guys
squirreling this stuff away. And according to your article here,
over the past two years, more than 2 billion dollars has been
cleaned out of these accounts belonging to figures connected with
the U.S. government. And they can't bitch about it, because
they'd have to acknowledge that they had it!
TROY UNDERHILL:
That is correct.
One thing I'd like to tell your audience now, that we've really had some problems with, in the legality part. But I was just told... I just got back from Denver. You knew that. I've been out in Denver, Colorado. My plane landed just a couple hours ago. And Mr. Norman... A lot of people out there say, "Well, every 'conspiracy nut' in this nation has written somethin' about this, they've written sometin' about that."
James R. Norman is a senior editor at Forbes magazine. Not Forbes media critic, but one of the most prestigious financial magazines in the United States of America. And this story was spiked [suppressed]. I cannot, and I think you know, Jeff, why I can't go into why it was spiked by Forbes. But the credibility factor, the documented proof, what is in this story, in front of the Senate or the House judiciary or the banking committees -- under writs of immunity, where these men and women that have this information and can be given, uh waivered from being sent to prison for life, for violating the National Security Act (which, in my opinion, would be in the best interests of the entire population of the United States of America)... We are trying, right now (as a matter of fact, again, tomorrow morning), to reach Senator Alfonse D'Amato.
I sat in dismay, in Denver, Colorado the other day, and watched his opening comments...
JEFF METCALF:
Well I've been listening intently for any hint.
I tell you what: Troy, we've got some business to do here ourselves. So let me put you on hold for a second, okay? Don't go away. We'll come back and continue.
[...to be continued...]
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