("Quid coniuratio est?")
INTERVIEW WITH DEBRA VON TRAPP
By Sherman H. Skolnick
(Transcribed by Brian Francis Redman)
I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or portions of the following. -- CN Editor.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So how is it... Do you believe that Clinton -- because he and his
wife are considered a "CIA couple" in an upcoming book that's
gonna describe them. {5}. Do you believe that Clinton, early on,
had a reason to understand this? And either didn't resist it or
didn't combat it? Or what?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Well, I went to Stephanopoulos, initially. And for quite awhile,
I communicated with his office, and he sent messages back to me
through his administrator and... And all that time, I thought he
was doing something with it. And then he told me that he thought
that I was making it up, and he killed the information.
So ultimately, I don't think Clinton actually knew that I seriously was discussing it with them and that he should pay attention to it until, probably, early August of '94. And then at that time I think he knew it and didn't know what to do about it, because he was in such a mess. And ultimately, what happened was that he had no way out and was confronted with Mondale and Mickey Kantor in October of '94. And then his solution was simply to clean up White House communications, bounce that Secret Service agent back to Oklahoma City, and then try to cut me off.
And they actually had the DNC [Democratic National Committee] send me two checks, in December, for a total of $8900, which I assume they believe was going to be payoff money. But when you consider the damage they've done to my company and all the litigation I was in with Xerox, and then defending myself against Mitsubishi and MCA... {6}.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So in other words...
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I lost everything I had! $8900 wasn't gonna pay my phone bill!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Some feel that Clinton has this habit of looking the other way,
or appearing to look the other way, on really "dirty projects",
such as the Mena, Arkansas dope shipments. In other words, he was
the Governor, and he would have us believe that he didn't see
anything or didn't need to see anything. Is that sort of like
what's happening now?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yeah. Well then, he wanted to be President. And now, he has a
bigger problem: they killed Vince Foster right in front of him.
And then, they've indicted Hillary; she was indicted on two
counts, for the Whitewater thing, on April 16th. She was served
on April 22nd.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So you feel that the grand jury actually met on Sunday, the 16th,
rather than on Monday, the 17th, that our story says.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Well, that was my first-hand information, that the indictment
actually came down that day, and that it was served on the 22nd.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
By Kenneth Starr, in the White House.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Right. And so now, he has a bigger problem: his wife's indicted.
And she's about to be indicted for perjury, under a third
indictment. And he needs to be able to trade something. So maybe
if he trades the American public and babies in Oklahoma, he can
keep he and his wife in the White House.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Tell me this: what do you think, under the circumstances, is
gonna happen further? In other words, there is this terrible
violence between the Tokyo and the Washington government -- where
do you suspect or predict that it might go?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Well, the way I was helped was, I went to the military and to
Secretary [of Defense] Perry. And I had done that early on,
concurrent with my communications even, early, with the Japanese
and with Stephanopoulos back in March of '94.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And you kept very meticulous records of all these things?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yeah, I have.
And so what occurred out of that was, Perry had an individual call me back and explain that all my documents have been given to a man that was the Assistant Secretary of Defense -- coincidentally, John Deutch. And so, then...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Do you have confidence in him as, I believe he's in the process
of becoming the new director of Central Intelligence. You have
confidence in him? Or...
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yeah. Because I think Perry arranged to have him moved over, to
clean up the CIA. And what's fortunate is, one of the people on
that downed aircraft, in Alabama, was, in fact, a good friend of
Perry's... And so, you know, that was a retaliatory act for,
against Perry as well, for him moving, you know, or arranging to
have Woolsey go out of the CIA, have Deutch go over there. It was
an "answer back" to the fact that Deutch is inevitably going to
be director of CIA.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What do you suppose would happen if the mainstream media -- which
we call the "news fakers" -- were to actually, simply state what
is known about what you're discussing here today? What would
happen?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I think there would be a tremendous backlash in the United States
against both the previous administration -- not necessarily...
well, the Clinton administration but certainly all those persons
that have remained, that were there under the Bush/CIA era.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, some people feel that the Clinton Justice
Department is still heavily Bush...
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...and that the CIA is still Bush, and therefore, Clinton has a
tremendous problem.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Right. They need to take at least about a minimum of another 25
people, top-down, out of the CIA that were associated with Ames
and Bush.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Do you predict that there might be further violence between the
Tokyo-Washington problem?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yeah. And I think that, if this were all to come to light, that
the American public would understand why our economy, and
American jobs, and everything else that's been affected by the
Japanese influence and the Japanese trade, has taken place. And I
think that there would be a tremendous backlash and an effort by
Americans to take America back for Americans, and not for
political interests and the Japanese government and the CIA.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But is there a possibility that there is an isolationist faction
in the United States that wants to blame Japan, perhaps not -- in
other words, some might say, falsely? Is there that possibility?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
No. I don't think so at all. I think that there's simply a lot of
anti-Japan sentiment over the way our economy's been affected,
and the fact that there's this underlying, major problem with the
Japanese government, Japanese Intelligence, and its infiltration
and control and complicity with a certain upper-management group
of employees, federal employees, in the CIA and the FBI.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So in other words, there's a highly-sophisticated war going on,
between Japan and the United States, unlike the Second World War
and generally unknown by most of the American people! But the
media won't cover it! I mean, they're... they'll pooh-pooh you.
You saw the latest issue of Time magazine, in a sentence or
two, tried to pooh-pooh the Japanese connection, as if there's
nothing behind it! {7}. And from what you say, there appears to
be quite a bit behind it.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
When... I didn't even see what Time wrote about it. Why were
they alluding to a Japanese connection at all?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Because of the militia statement, by Commander Olson and the
Citizens' Militia of Michigan jumped the gun and, without
realizing there's a factual background to the thing, demoted him.
But now, I think they realize they made a mistake and that your
information was quite correct.
And Time magazine refers a little bit to that in their current issue and pooh-poohs the whole idea of a Japanese connection. You see what I'm saying?
Of course it was Time magazine that, years ago, said that "Oswald did it", so, I mean [laughs]. You know what I mean? Those of us that are knowledgeable -- you know what I mean. But the point is, the general public is not knowledgeable. And at least in the Midwest, we want to make 'em knowledgeable if we can get you on video and then use it on our show. Is that possible?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Is your show live?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No. It's taped, and then cable-cast a couple weeks later.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
So if I taped something now, and got it to you, when would it be
broadcast?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Probably not sooner than two weeks. We might switch around our
schedule and have the cable-casting group put your show on in
place for something that's already scheduled. In other words,
we're already scheduled for cable-casting until the end of May.
But we can switch, if there's something very urgent, we can
switch something in there, and put this show on, which, of
course, is extremely timely.
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SKOLNICK ADDS:
Please note: she claims she's got a video tape where a director
of MCA, the one that somehow, mysteriously, now lives right
across the street from her -- uh, she confronted this director
and said, "How many babies did you arrange to kill in Oklahoma
with that bombing?" And the director, reportedly, said, "Twenty."
If, in fact, there is such a video tape, it'd be dynamite, and we would probably run it on our cable access television show.
My opinion is that this must come before the American people as quickly as possible!! To save Ms. von Trapp's life. I think she's a very brave woman, and something here rings true about the thing.
And I commend all of those (including you) that will help get this before the American people, or even overseas, to save this woman's life and to show what is behind these terrible events in our times.
---------------------------<< Notes >>--------------------------- {5} "...because he [Clinton] and his wife are considered a 'CIA couple' in an upcoming book..." Could refer to Passion & Betrayal by Gennifer Flowers.
{6} MCA. There is an interesting book about MCA by an author by name of Dan Moldea, I believe the name is. I can't recall the name of the book at the moment, but I believe it had "MCA" in the title.
{7} From Time magazine, May 8, 1995: "...the militia stripped Olson of his command last Friday after he sent inflammatory faxes to the news media blaming the Oklahoma explosion on the Japanese government."
I encourage distribution of "Conspiracy Nation."
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