Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num. 29

("Quid coniuratio est?")

SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- WHITEWATER UPDATE

Tom Valentine's guest on Radio Free America (Shortwave, 5.065 MHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on November 30, 1994 was independent researcher and founder of the Citizens Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC], Mr. Sherman Skolnick. Note that views expressed in the following do not necessarily reflect my own views or those of Conspiracy Nation.

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TOM VALENTINE:
Hello, everybody. Welcome back, to Radio Free America.

And here we are: the third of the last three broadcasts at daytime; gonna be shifting to night, coming Monday. (That will be December the 5th, I believe.)

So, today, because the Senate is busy debating GATT, and because we have "GATT-ed" ourselves out -- we've made our case, now if... The jury's out and if the prostitutes in our Congress do not listen to those who put 'em there but go to those who are payin' 'em, then GATT will pass [and] there's not much we can do about it.

So. With that in mind, very much like yesterday's show, I'm reaching into Radio Free America's "bag of tricks", if you will, to some real classics. And I have a group of guests that give this show something that no other radio talk show can have, really.

So on the other end of the phone, out of Chicago, is Sherman Skolnick, the Committee to Clean-up the Courts. And if you will recall, a long time ago Sherman was a guest on this show and he predicted certain things about Whitewater.

So we're going to go back and look at the President of the United States and Arkansas and this scandal that has lost a lot of press coverage. Because of other events, we haven't heard much about Whitewater and so forth.

So Sherman, welcome back to Radio Free America.

SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Good afternoon to all of your listeners. I'm pleased to be on your show again, Tom.

More than a year ago, I said exclusively on your show that a federal grand jury, meeting in Little Rock [, Arkansas] and elsewhere, was in a position to target, for federal criminal charges, President Clinton and the first lady. And I'm sure some people shook their heads to say, "Hey. This fellow Skolnick, from Chicago: does he know what he's talking about?"

Well, I've been doin' this type of work, heading up a research and investigation group, for more than 32 years. And we know what we're doin'. A number of high-level judges have gone to jail because of our work. And we've "got our ear to the ground."

Now, the Los Angeles Times has started a preliminary story which has been summarized, for example, in the Chicago Tribune, November 25th, where they say that there are about to be Whitewater indictments by special counsel Kenneth Starr, including, reportedly, against Arkansas governor Jim "Guy" Tucker...

VALENTINE

Now that's been in the news.

SKOLNICK

Right.

...former U.S. Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell, which is third in command, and others.

VALENTINE

That's not been in the news all that much. I haven't seen the newspapers bandying Hubbell's name about with these indictments.

SKOLNICK

I'm just lookin' at the story from the Los Angeles Times, with the Los Angeles Times dateline.

But notice the paragraph: "But there is no indication so far that Starr is considering seeking indictments against President Clinton or first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton."

Well [laughs], I tell ya somethin': at the very minimum, the President and the first lady are going to be, what is known in law, shown as "unindicted co-conspirators", which is just a hair away from an actual federal criminal indictment. In other words, they're part of the deal, but for whatever practical or other reasons they are not named as actual federal criminal indictments. And that, apparently, is where the matter stands.

But in order to understand the whole thing, we have to back up a little bit. And here are some key dates that I want your listeners to carefully consider.

July 19th, 1993. An elite unit of the FBI, under the direct supervision of the FBI director who, up to that day, was William Sessions. They were investigating high-level criminality. And they had targeted... well, they had come across information showing criminal offenses committed by Bill Clinton and his wife.

VALENTINE

All right, hold on. We've got that date, July the 19th, 1993. My guest, Sherman Skolnick, Committee to Clean-up the Courts, out of Chicago. I'm Tom Valentine and this is Radio Free America.

[...break...]

Back live, Radio Free America. We're talking with Sherman Skolnick. And there are, evidently, developments in the grand jury situation down in Little Rock, Arkansas and the new special prosecutor, Mr. Starr. And not a lot has been published in the major media, although, Sherman, you're sayin' that the Los Angeles Times have started it.

So let's go back to these important dates now.

SKOLNICK

By the way, this article [in the Chicago Tribune] was tucked in what they call the corner of the page, about halfway through the first section. If you didn't look carefully, you might miss it. But there it was, November 25th, '94. I read a couple paragraphs from it.

But getting back to the dates that I mentioned on the previous program but I'm going over it. July 19th, 1993. An elite unit, set up under the direct supervision of the FBI director at that time, William Sessions, had uncovered information of a criminal nature against the President and the first lady. What happened was, later that day, Sessions was "sacked" [i.e. fired] on what some feel were frivolous reasons: that he had failed to buy a separate plane ticket for his wife, who once or twice accompanied him on a plane for official business. He was "sacked" for that.

The next morning [i.e. July 20, 1993], a federal magistrate in a pending criminal case in Little Rock -- U.S. vs. David Hale. Hale was, at one time, a municipal judge, a state municipal judge, in Little Rock. In that case, the magistrate, working under the auspices of the district judge, ordered the release uh, divulging, of certain records that Clinton and his wife had which were in the custody of Vincent Foster, jr., White House aide. (Most people miss the point that, at that point, Foster was the personal attorney of the President and the first lady.)

That was the morning of July 20th, '93. That afternoon, something happened to Vincent Foster, jr.

VALENTINE

Now wait a minute! Are you saying that Sessions was "canned" [i.e. fired] on the 19th, and Foster was killed on the 20th?

SKOLNICK

Yeah.

VALENTINE

Oh. O.K.

SKOLNICK

Less than a... well, less than a day apart.

VALENTINE

Is that right?

SKOLNICK

Yeah.

VALENTINE

I didn't realize that! I thought Sessions was long gone when Foster was found dead.

SKOLNICK

No, he was "canned" later that day [i.e. July 19, 1993]. Just at the point that the FBI elite unit, under his direct supervision, came up with the information showing that Bill Clinton and his wife committed federal criminal offenses.

Now later that afternoon, on the 20th, something happened to Foster. Some contend it was a suicide; others claim it's a murder. Whichever way you pick...

VALENTINE

He's dead.

SKOLNICK

Yeah.

And then his office was ransacked while the FBI and others were not allowed to enter the office. They were kept in the hallway at, you know, away. And [Bernard] Nussbaum and others who were important in the White House at that time (but they later resigned) ransacked the office and took away records and said that the FBI cannot look at them.

VALENTINE

All right, now, all of this is very well-known and old news.

SKOLNICK

Right.

VALENTINE

Right?

SKOLNICK

Yeah.

VALENTINE

O.K.

SKOLNICK

Now. What happened thereafter is, some time later... Well first of all, let's detail what the David Hale thing is about.

He got involved in U.S. Small Business Administration loans of a massive amount. He contends that he was forced to "funnel" the money to Bill Clinton...

VALENTINE

Yes!

SKOLNICK

...by way of the ex-wife of James McDougal, the head of Madison Guaranty S&L of Little Rock. And Hale let it be known to some reporters... uh, not many reporters quite wanted to "go" with the story. But Hale, in so many words, says, "Look. I'm not 'going down'. Clinton's 'going down'. Cuz he got the money, I didn't."

In other words, Hale says, "I'm not going to jail for something that Clinton got the money." You see what I'm sayin'?

VALENTINE

Um-hmm [affirmative]. I remember all of this. Larry Nichols came out with that story, yeah.

[...to be continued...]

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