Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 2 Num. 05

("Quid coniuratio est?")


TERRY REED / JOHN CUMMINGS INTERVIEW

[...continued...]

TOM DONAHUE:
Back to George Bush and his sons: What do you know there? What, what's... Because this book does focus on Bush and Clinton, let's talk about their knowledge, or their involvement or complicity, in the drug trade.

TERRY REED:
Well first of all, I'll whet your audience's appetite and use this as an opportunity to tell you there is another book in the works. This book [Compromised] became gargantuan, as you mentioned several times, and we had to finally, you know, lop it off at some point to get the thing to press.

But to answer that question, one has to study Barry Seal, and know something about intelligence, as it works anyway. And it's not like on TV. And it's not like the James Bond movies. You go to intelligence school to learn how to compromise people, how to blackmail them, how to get dirt on them. It's a very ugly business when you get into the mechanics of how it actually functions.

Seal was a master at that. A photographic memory, literally. I never saw him write a clearance, an aircraft clearance radio frequency, down. A new frequency was stored in his memory as if it was a computer database. And as I worked with him and he basically became my intelligence mentor, to teach me the civilian side, how it functioned, and I was teaching him a few things about manufacturing and, so we were cross-sharing information. But I grew to really admire Seal's ability to stay one step ahead of people that were either trying to control him, neutralize him, or whatever. I think that style, though, is what lead to his death.

He did share with me, on a trip coming back from Panama, he was confiding in me. (This was about 3 months before he was killed.) He was confiding in me that he had the ultimate "neutralizing weapon" -- as he always called blackmail material -- "neutralizing material". He had gained information, originally from the DEA, and then information that he had actually confirmed firsthand, that the Bush kids were "dirty", as he put it. They'd been caught, actually, ensnared, in a trap. And of course the agents involved, once they realized who they had caught, let everybody go.

DONAHUE
We have Jeb Bush running for Governor in the great state of Florida. We have George W. Bush here in Texas. Are either of those two involved in anything like this, or perhaps in the past?
REED
Yes. Through corporate linkage, which we're gonna define in detail in the next book. But one must go back and think about the fact that Zapata Petroleum had strong linkage to Mexico. I'm not saying this as a teaser, but that's where our book is gonna begin is, where Zapata came from. (Of course, that's what George Bush ran down in Texas [i.e. Zapata Petroleum].) And who was the connection in Mexico with PayMex(sp?) that allowed Zapata to get its drilling rights. And Seal, during that period of time was, in fact, hauling drugs for the CIA and DEA, out of Mexico. And that put him in a position to learn some of the players.
DONAHUE
Let's further expound on the Bush connection, here. Mr. Bush, former President, and his sons, and the "Bush crime family", if you will. And then we'll come back, right after this break.

[...commercial break...]

Tom Donahue, "America's Town Forum". We're speaking with Terry Reed and author John Cummings, the authors of Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA. How the Presidency was co-opted by the CIA. And a picture of "Billy Boy" and "Skull & Bones" are on the front.

REED
[chuckles]
DONAHUE
The book is available, we're gonna make it available through our organization {1}. [...extols book and gives info on how to order...]

Back to the Bush brothers and "King George" himself; let's talk specifically -- their involvement.

REED
Well, I'm reading right now... Have you seen a copy of the New Federalist newspaper?
DONAHUE
No, I haven't.
REED
The current issue is dated April 18th. You ought to try to get a copy of that. It's a well put-together article.
DONAHUE
O.K.
REED
It can be received through P.O. Box 889, Leesburg, Virginia 22075. {2}.
DONAHUE
That's the official research arm of Lyndon LaRouche {3} ...
REED
That's correct.
DONAHUE
...and his group.
REED
Now what they did, they took our book and quite interestingly enough {4}, turned the whole scandal over and literally lit a blowtorch on George Bush and family. And just to give you an idea about this meeting I was talking about: I'd flown down to Panama, to a meeting, and we were at a very critical juncture of launching the Mexican operation. We were actually discussing pulling the operation out of Arkansas and moving it down to Guadalajara. And Seal and I had flown down together to attend this meeting...
DONAHUE
Because of the political connections in Arkansas, and the banks, and everything that was needed financially, the topography and the way it was set up, it was a good training base, wasn't it?
REED
Oh very!
DONAHUE
Similar to Central America.
REED
Yeah, it was. My students commented on the mountainous region being very similar in topography, and climate. In the Spring, the fog, the way it hangs in the valleys. And we would practice penetrating the fog layer and using that for camouflage to fly low-level for our aerial delivery sorties. It was a very interesting place. Uh, they have mosquitoes down there the size of small birds, you know.
DONAHUE
[chuckles] You were thinking about moving the operation.
REED
It was moved, later. I was gonna read something to you, if you don't mind. Because what they [New Federalist] did was they took a lot of dialogue out of the book -- sort of condensed it.
DONAHUE
O.K.
REED
It explains a lot.

But this is Seal talking to me. This is a quote:

"Terry, I've been working with several federal agencies," Seal began. "In the course of that business, a person can't help but run across some very sensitive information. It seems some major players in the Medellin cartel, whom I personally know, ran across some knowledge that's very valuable to both Republicans and the Democratic party. It seems some of the, George Bush's kids, just can't say 'no' to drugs. A guy in Florida, who 'flipped' for the DEA, has got the goods on the Bush boys. Now I heard this earlier from a very reliable source in Columbia. But I just sat on it then, waiting to use it as my 'trump card'. I got names, dates, places, even got some tape recordings. I even got surveillance videos catching the Bush boys red-handed. I consider this stuff my 'insurance policy'. It makes me, and my 'mole' on the inside that's feedin' the stuff to me, invincible."

And that's the end of the quote. Now...

DONAHUE
We've got the cocaine Bush boys, and we have "King Daddy" overseeing the heroin trade out of Burma and turning a blind eye to it.

We'll be back. Tom Donahue, with "America's Town Forum".

[End of hour 1]

[...to be continued...]

--------------------------<< Notes >>---------------------------- {1} "The book is available..." No need to use Tom Donahue to get the book. It is available or can be ordered through your local bookseller. However, Donahue does offer audio tapes of past programs. Information I have, current as of July 21, 1994, reads (in part) as follows:

Your tape order has been processed by volunteers...We are sorry about the delay in getting your order filled. [CN -- True, there was delay. Donahue's preoccupation with his trial may have been why.] ...Tapes of past and current shows (with fill-in host Bo Gritz) are still available at $7.00 for both hours [CN -- Full price, including postage]... Allow 2-3 weeks for delivery although we hope to do it faster. For a list of shows available send a self addressed stamped envelope to

America's Town Forum
P.O. Box 835
Atlantic Beach, Florida 32233

Most of each $7.00 tape goes for Tom's defense fund.

{2} The New Federalist is published weekly. Subscriptions are available at $20 for 50 issues, $35 for 100 issues. Make checks payable to "New Federalist" at New Federalist, PO Box 889, Leesburg, VA 22075. Note: It has good info, but I suggest reading it with "a grain of salt".

{3} In the past I have criticized LaRouche et al. This is not to say that they don't write some good articles. They do put out some excellent information, in my opinion. But be wary of turning your mind over to LaRouche, as some have done. For that matter, I would say to be wary, also, of turning your mind over to just about any "authority": Conspiracy Nation, television, Noam Chomsky, "experts", or you name it. The trick, it seems to me, is to think for yourself.

{4} "...they [New Federalist] took our book and quite interestingly enough..." Yes, I recall reading the New Federalist account of the Reed/Cummings book. By reading their account, you might miss the fact that this took place in Arkansas and that, according to the book, Bill Clinton has much to answer for. If one were to read only the New Federalist account of the book, one might go away with the impression that the book only features George Bush on the cover and not Bill Clinton as well. The New Federalist coverage, amazingly, neglects the Clinton/Arkansas angle. WHY?? Why is LaRouche running interference for Clinton?


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